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Boris Mauboussin

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Remarks to 2019 RP2 RP12 RP13
« on: September 28, 2019, 02:53:09 AM »
Hello folks,

A few remarks,

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RP-2. Bringing in Bets is Discouraged
Routinely bringing in chips as betting and raising proceeds around the table is poor dealing practice.
Reducing bet stacks can influence action, create confusion & increase errors. [Eliminated: Dealers
should not touch a player's bet unless a count is needed]
. Only the player currently facing action may
ask the dealer to bring-in bets.

This is an issue to me, if the dealers are allowed to touch the bets, then they will reduce the bet stack, because every dealer will make the bet visible as clear as possible. They will also routinely bring the chips for every 5+ chips bets, which is much more common with Big Blind Ante since your first chiprace is around Lvl 9 and so players have plenty of chips in front of them.


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RP-12: Dealers Should Announce Bets & Raises
Dealers should routinely announce non-all-in bet values as betting proceeds around the table. Allin bets will be counted only on request of the player currently facing action. Accepted action
continues to apply (Rule 49). Scheduled and discretionary color-ups improve bet countability

Let's be clear, with RP2 and RP12, it is asked to dealers to announce bets without reducing the stack size. So they have to disturb the bet pile or identify at first glance. Well, for decades every dealer knows he has to make the bet visible as clear as possible before announcing anything, those who can identify multiple chips bet without making mistakes on the long run are from fairy tales. With this recommended procedures we open a window to much more mistakes from the dealers.

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RP-13: Dealers Should Stack Chips in Split-Pot Games
Where possible, dealers should periodically stack pot chips in split-pot games. Stacking chips
should not obscure players’ view or otherwise disrupt the game.


Big no. in some split games, the pot is not always splitted. Will the dealer still have to stack the chips even if not needed ?
If the dealer does not, it gives information about the game.
No need to reverse the old procedure.


Conclusion : If the goal of 2019 TDA update is to speed up the game, it is going the wrong way. The game is already quicker with big bling ante. The real fight is againt devices which disturb the players and make them lose track of the action.

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Re: Remarks to 2019 RP2 RP12 RP13
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2019, 11:48:20 PM »
Boris,
 I'd like to make a comment on your suggestion about stacking chips in a split-pot game. In my many years as a poker dealer instructor, it has always proven to be helpful in "speeding up the game." When a dealer is properly trained to stack the chips at the correct time, there is no question that it's quicker than waiting until the winner or winners are decided.
 I remember many occasions when dealing high-low split games when the board would positively indicate that no low were possible. However, the hands were still split because two or more players shared the same high straight. If you are dealing a split-pot game, I like the TDA rule as it is written.

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Re: Remarks to 2019 RP2 RP12 RP13
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2019, 12:26:32 PM »

 I remember many occasions when dealing high-low split games when the board would positively indicate that no low were possible. However, the hands were still split because two or more players shared the same high straight. If you are dealing a split-pot game, I like the TDA rule as it is written.

Yes, but it still gives an information from your point of view since you analyze the situation  that players could have the same hand at showdown.

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Re: Remarks to 2019 RP2 RP12 RP13
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2019, 01:15:15 PM »
Boris,
 The objective is to speed up the action...not indicate that the pot might be split. Casinos want maximum rake which can only be accomplished with a high hand output. Tournament poker is different for sure, however...wasting time is not a good idea in either case. Stack the chips and if it turns out to be a one winner game...so what?

 When a good dealer is in the box and stacking the chips when he or she should, it does not slow down the action, on the contrary, it speeds up the game considerably.

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Re: Remarks to 2019 RP2 RP12 RP13
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2019, 10:28:39 AM »
I did not deny it will speed up the game.
But, thing is if one player notice you are stacking the chips, he might think about the pot is going to be split.
Then you just broke One player a hand rule.

Moreover, TDA is for tournament, your point about rake is irrelevant.