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I might be missing something,but why not allow players to rebuy while still holding chips? You can't prevent a player from going all-in and possibly dumping his few remaining chips to his buddy so he can re-buy! You can't!

I say allow the rebuy for all players, with chips or not.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Mucked flop
« Last post by Nick C on April 18, 2022, 06:24:06 AM »
Very interesting. There's a lot to think about. In the initial situation there were players who folded, so there were discards. If that situation occurred with all players remaining, (nobody folded) that would be easy enough to resolve because the prematurely mucked flop would be the only cards face down on the table...easy solution.

We all agree this might never happen again. I do like giving the active players in the hand, the option to take their money back and redeal. If they don't agree, I'd be in favor of suspending further betting, use the remaining deck to complete the hand. this will protect the players from suffering any further financial damage.
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I believe you should calculate the initial raise as if there were a SB. It kind of reminds me of a holdem game when the BB is all-in for less...the next player must still complete to the proper BB, or the full BB would be considered for a raise.

I haven't played much pot limit, but basic rules are usually the best way to figure these situations out.

I realize that a slight adjustment might need to be made when actually counting the pot for the post flop bets...remember there was no SB

Whenever I hear of these situations in pot limit, the more I like the games, or house rules, that round these bets off. It makes the game easier to move along.
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Silly me. I gave an answer without bothering to check the rules. But thanks for pointing me to 54B. Yeah, I think what I said is just a long version of what 54B says.

But you’re also right, that it leaves ambiguity about whether a missing small blind counts as a short small blind. Then again, a short small blind would at least have a player in the seat.

Yeah, the rule does need to clarify how to calculate the missing small blind.

For the record, I was actually thinking of the scene in Rounders, when Mike goes back to Grama to tell him he doesn’t have the money, that he’s a little short. Grama asks how short? Mike replies, all the way.

So on the pot size question, i’m now uncertain how to rule.

Regarding the showdown. I think you’re saying that since a short blind all in forces a showdown, does the missing small blind count as an all in, also forcing a showdown? I can see the argument that it’s just an all the way short small blind. But unlike a normal short all in, he wasn’t dealt cards. Therefore it does not force a showdown.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Pot Limit Omaha préflop blinds
« Last post by Boris on April 09, 2022, 08:54:48 AM »
Hey Dave,

I did not want to give too much information at star to let the minds think but you nailed the topic.
This poll is meant to open the discussion around Rule 54.b

I am working at a huge venue right now and we have 2 trends among staff.

Team 600 is mostly arguing that there is no bet so "If I can't see, I don't count it"
Team 700 use the 54b and interpret no players could be seen as a Short all-in blind.

Further discussion brought that ruling a short all blind would put the hand in all-in situation, forcing a showdown to reveal all cards at the end of the hand.

We would really like to know your thoughts about this technical question.

Cheers
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I don't have enough experience with Omaha, but let me ask this: If either blind didn't have enough to cover, or if a limp caller didn't have enough to call, how do you calculate a pot sized raise?

Whatever rule you apply there should also be applied to the small blind that is less (all the way less) than what it should be.

Frankly, I think it should be the full 700.


To use Hold 'Em as an example, when a big blind is all in for less than the BB, it's still a full BB amount to limp call.

Therefore, in the original question, I think the full amounts should be used to calculate the pot sized raise.


On a somewhat related note, I played in a $1/$2 PLO game at Aria a few years back. It had an interesting twist: The amount to call was $5, any raises had to be in $5 increments, and the $3 total blinds were rounded to $5. That meant if the first player wanted to raise pot, it was $15 rather than $7. Not only did it help raise to a more meaningful amount, but it made the math easier once the pot grew.

For the record, I'm not sure if the blinds continued to be rounded up or were rounded down if one blind folded.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Pot Limit Omaha préflop blinds
« Last post by Boris on April 07, 2022, 05:47:46 PM »
Hey folks,

I would like to start a poll.

Pot Limit Omaha tournament
Blinds 100/200
Previous hand BB player got busted, so we have a dead Small Blind.
1st player to act raises to maximum.
What is the bet ?
600 or 700 ?

And why ?

Cheers
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Any further updates as to whether there will be a summit in 2022 and prospective dates if so?
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Matt posted on Twitter today and they are planning the next Summit for this summer 2022
No dates listed yet
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Mucked flop
« Last post by Boris on March 08, 2022, 04:14:34 AM »
Hey folks,

Hitman, glad to see one of your tricky case again !

First, I tried to figure out what solution I could bring on the moment without having access to the whole TDA.
I assumed this was a Hold'em game to make this call.
I would have offered to draw a new flop from the stub without burning explaining that randomness is part of the game.

Now diving into the TDA :

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RP-4. Disordered Stub

When cards remain to be dealt on a hand and the stub is accidentally dropped and appears to be disordered: 1) first try to reconstruct the stub in its original order if possible; 2) If not possible, create a new stub using only the stub cards (not the muck & prior burns). These should be scrambled, shuffled, cut, & play proceeds with the new stub; 3) If when dropped the stub is mixed in with the muck and/or burns, then scramble the mixed cards together, shuffle, and cut. Play proceeds with the new stub.

Point 3 fits well to the situation but I don't like the outcome to have discarded cards to come into play again.


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RP-14: Randomness May be Applied to Special Situations

For error remedies not otherwise covered in the TDA Rules and Procedures, TDs may use the concept of randomness to design a solution.

The one who allowed me to make my call to draw a new flop.


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35:  Misdeals and Fouled Decks

E: Fouled decks will be as defined by local gaming regulations and house policy. If a fouled deck is discovered, regardless of SA, play will stop and all bets will be returned. Once a hand concludes, the right to dispute based on a fouled deck ends according to Rule 22.

We need to stretch this one a bit to consider the deck is fouled so it could fit. Its crappy because we don't like to return the bets, but it could fit.


I like the randomness outcome because it does not change the information live players got preflop. I think it is the nearest timeline for the original one.
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