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Thank you Bill that is what I thought, could not see any other scenarios wanted to confirm.

Thanks

Max
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TDA 2019 RP-11: Ante Formats. No Ante Reduction
For single-payer systems, the big blind ante format (BBA) with ante-first calculation is recommended. Antes should not be reduced (including at the final table) as play progresses in the event.


Following the above: Yes, the BB should pay the ante first. The remainder, if any, is the big blind amount.  In other words, if we change your scenario such that the BB had 500 left, then 400 would go to the ante and 100 would go towards the big blind.  Sticking with your scenario, the ante is 400 and the big blind is zero.
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I was wondering how we handle this scenario.

Blinds are SB200 BB400 BBA400
Big Blind player has 400 left, we do ante first.  Antes goes in the pot, now we have a small blind of 200, 400 in antes and no big blind.  Is that ok?

Max
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: BB Raise verbal vs chips
« Last post by Dave Miller on October 13, 2019, 12:28:05 AM »
Nick, I disagree.

After all, what if he had only 5K left and he put that out and said “Raise 5” ?
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: BB Raise verbal vs chips
« Last post by Nick C on October 12, 2019, 09:14:15 PM »
Allow the all-in. Simple. He couldn't raise to 3000 so what else could his verbal declaration be?
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: BB Raise verbal vs chips
« Last post by Dave Miller on October 10, 2019, 11:41:44 PM »
 "other clarifying information"

I like that. And totally agree with everything MikeB said.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: BB Raise verbal vs chips
« Last post by MikeB on October 10, 2019, 09:55:22 PM »
You'll likely get multiple answers here.

Personally I love the diligence of this dealer and would tend to support him/her. It's a teachable moment to the players that the declared raise amount is the total amount (call + raise), per 2019 Rule 43-B.

OTOH, the player did have the entire 3k in his hand and put it out in one motion. So, ultimately for me it will come down to the length of pause between declaration and chip placement. If it's nearly seamless I'd favor allowing the all-in here and use the chip placement as "other clarifying information" of the verbal declaration per 43-B. However, if there was any hesitation I'd go with the dealer's ruling of 4k total.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / BB Raise verbal vs chips
« Last post by BillM16 on October 10, 2019, 07:58:54 AM »
It is pre-flop,  SB 1,000, BB 2,000, and BBA 2,000. 

Everyone folds around to the SB, who calls the 2,000.  The BB, with his last 3,000 in his hand, announces "raise 3" and then puts the 3,000 on top of the previous 2,000 BB.

The dealer says: "That's going to be a min-raise to 4,000." The BB say: "I raised all-in." 

How do you rule?

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Foreign Language Translations / Re: Working on French version 2019
« Last post by MikeB on October 07, 2019, 09:34:42 AM »
Gents:
Greatly looking forward to French translations when you have them available. Need to be downloadable, preferably in Word. Please send link or may also send by e-mail to:
TDAGroup@pokertda.com
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Event structuring / Re: Big Blind Ante 3 day event
« Last post by Boris Mauboussin on October 05, 2019, 09:21:34 PM »
Hello mrbutler88,



Blind levels are all 30 minutes

Day 1 will finish at level 13
Day 2 will play out to 9 players

Day 1            
Lvl    SB    BB   Ante   
1   100   100   100   
2   100   200   200   
3   200   300   300   
4   200   400   400   
5   300   500   500   
               Break

I assume the starting stack is something around 30K regarding the information you gave.

Here you can start with a 100/100 level with no ante.
It allows you to not reducing the players stack in BB amount for the first hour.
Level would 2 be 100/100/100.

You could also remove your actual level 5.
You can raise the BB amount by 50% at this stage of the tournament.

However, 2 hours and 30 minutes without break might be a bit too much. Most of the time, 2 hours play between breaks is the maximum.

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6   300   600   600   
7   400   800   800   
8   500   1000   1000   
9   600   1200   1200   
Break - Remove 100 chips
10   1000    1500  1500

Starting with 100/100 and 2 hours play allows you to send players on break at the end of level 8. (which the same one if you started 100/100 and removed level 5)

Then you have 2 more levels. Since you had already 10 levels and 2 breaks, at this stage, tournament is already 5h40 hours long (20 mn breaks). So you can send your players and dealers on Diner break during which players can still register. You also have
more time to remove your 100 chips.

It allows you to have 800/1600/1600 on level 10

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14   2000    4000  4000   
15   3000    5000  5000   
16   3000    6000  6000   
17   4000    8000  8000   
18   5000    10000 10000   
19   6000   12000 12000   
Break - Remove 1k chips
20   10000  15000  15000   
21   10000  20000  20000 

Again, with 2 hours play you can have

14   2000    4000  4000   
15   3000    5000  5000   
16   3000    6000  6000   
17   4000    8000  8000   
Break
18   5000    10000 10000   
19   6000   12000 12000   
20   8000   16000 16000   
21   10000  20000  20000 
Break - Remove 1k chips



The end of the structure seems to be fine.

Cheers
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