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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon
« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 02:50:12 AM »
I need more information to answer your questions.

In your first example I want to know how many players were in the hand, and when did the BB fold?
It's hard to imagine that the betting began in proper order.

I never liked the idea of retrieving mucked cards.

You mentioned that many of these players were originally online players. That might be a good way to arrive at the proper decision.

When playing online, none of these scenarios are even possible. You can't act out of turn and you can not retrieve a mucked hand.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon
« Last post by Dave Miller on March 24, 2024, 09:29:15 AM »
In both cases, the cards should be returned, and remain in play. Identifiable, and retrievable, etc.

Of course, for the BB, a warning/penalty is not necessary. After all, he’s playing out of position, and more or less told anybody that’s paying attention that he’s got crappy cards. 🤪
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon
« Last post by Boris on March 23, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »
Hello folks,

I beg to differ with my fellow companions.

Case 1 : IMO it is a fold out of turn. Player should pay attention to the game, so they should know when they are required to post and when to act. Hand is mucked, player gets a warning.
Case 2 : I agree, if cards are identifiable, player A gets their card back, and a warning for the same reason above.

However, I know which kind of tournament Guillaume is talking about, these tend to not penalize too much because a fair proportion of players are online players and are not used to live tournaments, so in case 1, I may use rule 1 to give the cards back and still issue a friendly warning. (which does not count as a real one)
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It plays.

To kill the hand on a technicality is a mistake - particularly since the TDA is trying to get away from the ability to win based on a technicality.

If the player was attempting to do something stupid or fancy when tabling, then they can be given a warning. But the post indicates the opposite - the player was attempting to properly table the cards. Therefore, they should be retrieved and tabled, and the hand played out.

If you somehow think a card switch occurred, play out the hand, then verify that the deck is legit before awarding the pot. (A DeckMate 2 can do this in about 15 seconds...)
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Tournament is down to 5/269.  Player A moves all in, Player B calls all in.  Player A tables their hand, AsKc.  Player B starts to table their hand and it catches the felt and both cards start to fly off table, video review shows that Player B did nothing out of ordinary and was attempting to table the hand appropriately.  Player B is able to stop 1 card and it lands face up on the rail.  Card 2 goes past rail, Player B catches the card in his hand, just above his lap.

Dealer unable to identify the two cards - other than they were both hearts. 

Cards were AhQh.

What would you rule and why?

Thanks
Don Tinordi
Poker Manager - ACE Poker Room - Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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I couldn't find a rule or procedure for this, but I think there should be.

At the start of any hand, if a player has a single oversize chip, or two chips of a size that can make the action unclear, the dealer should color it down at the first opportunity - before it's that player's turn to act. At least in poker rooms where the dealers work from track and color up pots during the regular action. I.E. The dealer has the chips to do it without asking a player.

I make this suggestion because I work from a rack in my pub league, and too often I've run into the situation where the player puts his last chip in, and assumes it's all in since it was all his chips - or mumbles something forcing me to ask for clarification.

For example, the blinds are 300/600 and a player has a single 1K chip, or two 500 chips, and nothing else. Breaking down the chips to one 500 and five 100, would make silent action obvious when it's his turn.

Otherwise, asking for a clarification effectively gives the player time to gauge reactions and change their intention.

In this scenario the difference is relatively insignificant. But what if the player was down to a single 5k chip?
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2024 POKER TDA SUMMIT XI / Registration is now open
« Last post by BROOKS on March 09, 2024, 08:24:49 AM »
You can now register for the upcoming 2024 Summit here:

https://www.pokertda.com/the-poker-tda-summit/2024-poker-tda-summit-xi/
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General discussion of poker industry topics / Re: 2024 Summit
« Last post by Dave Miller on February 27, 2024, 04:00:49 AM »
Thanks for the update.

Unfortunately, I have a wedding to go to on the 30th. ☹️

Maybe next time….
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General discussion of poker industry topics / Re: 2024 Summit
« Last post by BROOKS on February 25, 2024, 07:31:33 PM »
Was just posted. June 29, 30 2024
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Foreign Language Translations / Re: Working on french translation of version 2022
« Last post by weazzle on February 23, 2024, 01:51:50 AM »
I've already started the translation.
After the summit I'll adapt this version. It will be less work later to add only the changes.
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