Dave_The_Maori,
Your example is well written and much clearer than RRoP. I had no problem following what you explained. I do have a problem with applying this procedure. There is no mention of a different procedure to correct the mistake if caught in time, before the UTG player calls the BB, for example. I can understand that a board card followed by substantial action must stand. What happens in the example that you gave (when RR's is applied), the extra burn card (pre flop), is used as the next burn card which contradicts the statement of; cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error occured. Using this method, there are two certainties; #1 One of the proper "flop" cards was burned and, #2 One of the "flopped" cards should be the next burn..... I would rather have a rule for a misdeal if discovered before action takes place, or just correct it if possible. I am not if favor of any rule that does not allow an error to be corrected, if everyone involved is certain of which card was the extra burn. Making a rule that assures the correct turn and river is a small consolation in a game that, much of the time, never reaches the last two betting rounds.
Actually, in double burned situations where the flop is revealed and no action has taken place, I would rule a dealer error and instruct the Dealer to correct the error.
I can understand the procedure that you mentioned earlier and how it has the best interest of the game at it's core. I'm not sure I wouldn't go as far as ruling a mis-deal though as there wasn't anything wrong with hands that were dealt.
i.e. Asking pocket Aces to throw in their hand because an error occurred after all hands were dealt.
Having said that, your procedure in fixing double burned Flops is probably one of the best that I've ever come across. However, I have some reservations about that procedure because scrambling the exposed Turn card and the "proper" Turn card revealing a Re-Dealt Turn card could create problems, which is, giving players knowledge of the face value of one of the Burn cards.
e.g. Seat 1 is holding pocket Kings. The Flop is Six, Six, Queen and the wrongly dealt turn card is a King.
I would scramble the two burns, and use one as a burn and the other as the turn card. I would then use the exposed turn card as the final burn (which is where it belonged if no error had occured). The exposed turn card would be placed back on top of the deck, covering the proper river card. After the betting round, the burn would be placed on the board (face down with the other burns) and the proper river card would be dealt. The way I explained it is the easiest way and I think the best way to guarantee at least 80% of the proper board, and very possibly 100%. There is no reshuffle required. The bad part is one card was exposed.
Although a tough decision, in a double burned Flop, I would probably opt for the reshuffle as it has less negatives to it. Not to say that I am a fan of it, but I can't think of a fairer way to correct the error as pocket Kings has probably used some portion of their stack Pre-Flop.
i.e. Collect cards A, B, C, D and E to be added back to the deck. Shuffle and Cut deck. Deal new 1st Burn and Flop.
I can understand how Bob's rule would apply to when a dealer error during the dealing of hole cards that you have quoted;
cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error occured.
e.g. All players are dealt their first hole card but then as one of the second hole cards is pitched, it flips over face up (King of Diamonds) on the felt and I am called for a ruling.
I would tell all the players that the Exposed card will be used as the first burn and instruct the Dealer to continue as if no error occurred.
I believe that if pocket Kings were to be given the knowledge that they now have one less out before making their decision, they may choose not to risk much (If at all) pre-Flop.
I can also appreciate that people like Thomas, Bob, The TDA and others have a big job standardising rules (And procedures) for an age-old card game. And try as they might, we still need more.
I can't remember who said it, but the way that the flop is dealt could also hold some answers / problems. In the United States of America, the three flop cards are generally exposed all at the same. However, in the United Kingdom, the three flop cards are generally exposed one at a time. Which could mean, if caught early enough, the error (Of a double burned Flop) can be corrected without exposing any wrongly exposed cards.
Just some food for thought
