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Brian Vickers

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Dealer calling clock?
« on: July 12, 2010, 08:24:38 AM »
On a board of J-7-3, Jon Turner was faced with a 12,000 chip bet into a pot of 27,000. Turnter had about 40,000 left in his stack and opted to min-raise to 24,000. His opponent went into the tank for minutes before the dealer called the clock on him. Turnerís opponent finally decided to fold. Turner exposed the Q5 for a complete bluff. Turner had around 82,000 after the hand.

As a former dealer, I'm all for the dealer being able to call for a clock, some people just love to waste everyone's time... but I can't see the player being too happy about that.  What do you guys think?

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 10:30:07 AM »
TDA does allow anyone at the table (including the dealer) or any floor staff to impose the clock on a player, whereas some rules only allow an active player or the td to impose the clock - personally I like the TDA method better as at the end of the day the clock is running and everyone at the table is suffering from players taking too long to make decisions.

With regard to the dealer calling for a clock it is something in the UK that is not a problem, as players rarely tip dealers over here, but in the US I would be more inclined to suggest that the dealers do not get involved in order to protect their possible tokes, except where exceptional circumstance dictates.

Many players will not call the clock and the floor may well not be aware of what is going on at that particular table so it is in the best interests of the game that the dealer be permitted to call a clock on a player - it might just yield a tip from players at the table who do not wish to call the clock themselves.

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 08:52:21 AM »
I like the dealer calling the clock when necessary.  A good dealer should know what's going on at his table and that includes recognizing that a player may be routinely taking too long to make decisions.  It's frustrating for other players at the table to continually wait for a player taking too long, but many often don't want to create further tension by calling the clock.  The dealer doing so shows everyone at the table that he's aware and in control of the table.  Without being overbearing, an alert, proactive dealer can help everyone avoid some uncomfortable/unfortunate situations and thus the game flows more smoothly and is more enjoyable for all.

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 02:01:05 AM »
With regard to the dealer calling for a clock it is something in the UK that is not a problem, as players rarely tip dealers over here, but in the US I would be more inclined to suggest that the dealers do not get involved in order to protect their possible tokes, except where exceptional circumstance dictates.


That paints a bad picture of the UK. I have cashed, won and been in chopped prize pools in Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The dealers/staff were tipped in all those venues, and not just by me, lol

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 05:37:53 AM »
 Discussions regarding players being put on the clock are comon. There are many conditions that might be deemed improper, that are not specifically covered under RROP or the TDA or any other rulebook. They are defined as comon courtesy, and are covered in the category of "etiquette," or defined in house rules.
 I am in favor of the dealer calling the clock.
 According to the rules, a player has one minute to act on his hand (after being put on the clock), followed by a count-down from ten to zero, before he has to act. This is after a resonable (ridiculous) amount of time has passed. I've read that two minutes is what is considered resonable. Imagine a dealer, that is working 30 minute down time at each table. During that "down" a good dealer should get out 17 to 20 hands. In a ten handed game of hold'em, with four betting rounds, if only half of the players took that much time to act, the dealer would NOT complete one hand! All of the on-line poker sites figured that one out. After about 15 seconds, you'd better act on your hand, or it's dead!
 I also believe that the floor should step in and make it very clear, to any player that delays the action, that his time to act will be drastically reduced in the best interest of the game. I admit, some hands warrant more time to figure than others, but we are talking about the repeat offenders. Consider the effect it could have on a tournament that goes "hand for hand" when down to the final tables?

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 02:27:25 PM »
That paints a bad picture of the UK. I have cashed, won and been in chopped prize pools in Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The dealers/staff were tipped in all those venues, and not just by me, lol

Unfortunately a bad but true picture of the UK, partly stemming from the former Gaming Act, where tipping of casino employees was forbidden.  But in comparison to U.S. dealers even where players do tip poker dealers is is nothing compared to across the 'pond'

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 01:28:43 PM »
Dealers are not actively playing in the game and have no vested interest in how long a hand takes.  In tournaments the dealers are not allowed to call a clock on players.  The TDA rules don't authroize dealers to call clocks on players.  I have yet to work a tournament that was so big we needed to have dealers calling for a clock.

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 07:46:33 PM »
Roberts Rules, SECTION 14-NO LIMIT AND POT-LIMIT...page 41...#16 (in part) The clock may be put on someone by the dealer as directed by a floorperson, if a player requests it. So there you go, just another rule that is as clear as mud. In my opinion, the clock rule is one of the most ridiculous rules that exist.Ten or fifteen seconds is a long time to wait for a player to act. Two or three minutes taken by several players in any given hand would be enough to ruin a tournament.

That's just my opinion, not a rule.

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Re: Dealer calling clock?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 03:50:54 PM »
That paints a bad picture of the UK. I have cashed, won and been in chopped prize pools in Dundee, Edinburgh and Glasgow. The dealers/staff were tipped in all those venues, and not just by me, lol

Unfortunately a bad but true picture of the UK, partly stemming from the former Gaming Act, where tipping of casino employees was forbidden.  But in comparison to U.S. dealers even where players do tip poker dealers is is nothing compared to across the 'pond'

Stu


I manage a small casino in Northern Ireland and tipping is'nt a big thing here. Some people do it but its not a great deal.

As for calling the clock, our dealers are allowed to put a player on the clock, but its something I ask them not to do unless the player is taking the mick. I personaly prefer if the players would speak up and ask for it.