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manpokerclub

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Question about dealer
« on: March 07, 2010, 09:11:22 AM »
In our club when we get to the final table there is a assigned dealer and the person with the dealer button shuffles after the button moves.

Ok here is the question:

The flop comes out

8(c) 9(c) 2(d) the dealer announces the cards and the suit. go to fourth street and a 2(c) comes out and the dealer satates 8(c) 9(c) 2(d) 2(c) - three clubs on the boards with a pair of dueces.

A player gets upset and tells the dealer he talks to much and should have not announced the 3 clubs on the board. I am sitting there and tell the gentleman that the game is set up that cards call themselves and the dealer did nothing wrong. The dealer announced what is on the table and that he should relax and understand that all cards call them selves and the bet was made and called without any objections. The players were heads up and they had no objections and rightly so because they can see what is on the table and they know what they are going to do, not based on what the dealer states, but according to their cards.

the argument was brought up about Ivey and his folding of a flush.

Who is correct here?


Thank you for you time in answering this question.

L. Gruppo
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Stuart Murray

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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2010, 02:27:53 PM »
L,

There are no rules governing what extra information the dealer announces (or floor (I bet if a TD was standing at the table and he announced to the room over a mic that there was 3 clubs on the board he would not have complained!))

It is really down to the house/poker operator/td to determine how much information the dealer will announce.  IMO a good dealer where there is no TD announcing the action WILL be doing what your dealer was doing.

I don't really think he has any kind of valid argument that the dealer should not be announcing the board or colours IMO but you may get some TD's who will tell you different and prefer their dealers to be quiet dealers only announcing action.

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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 02:38:55 PM »
It's my opinion that dealers of floor people announcing that there are "three clubs" or "a pair of deuces" or "four cards to a straight" on the board violates "one player to a hand." Ivey is not the only player to ever misread his hand with the board. It happens more than most players would like to admit.

And, by announcing the structure of the board, many players would be reminded to check their hole cards to see if they've made better hands. Obviously, players should not be saying "three clubs" or "a pair of deuces" or "four cards to a straight," as it may assist other players in realizing that their hands may have improved.

There is nothing wrong with announcing the cards as they are dealt. But more than that amounts to assisting players.
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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 06:43:10 AM »
It's my opinion that dealers of floor people announcing that there are "three clubs" or "a pair of deuces" or "four cards to a straight" on the board violates "one player to a hand." Ivey is not the only player to ever misread his hand with the board. It happens more than most players would like to admit.

And, by announcing the structure of the board, many players would be reminded to check their hole cards to see if they've made better hands. Obviously, players should not be saying "three clubs" or "a pair of deuces" or "four cards to a straight," as it may assist other players in realizing that their hands may have improved.

There is nothing wrong with announcing the cards as they are dealt. But more than that amounts to assisting players.

My thoughts exactly.

Georg

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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 01:50:16 PM »
I agree that the dealer should announce the cards, but not the suits or any pairs or straights. The exception is that if a player at the end of the table specifically asks me because he can't see it too well, then I will tell him.

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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 06:29:56 AM »
 I can't believe that anyone could possibly be in agreement to a dealer reading any community cards in any "flop" game. The exception to that rule would be when the dealer is specifically asked, by a player, because he can't see the board for some reason. possibly the lighting or he has played for so many hours, he can't tell a heart from a spade.
 That would be like telling the players that there is no low possible, in a Omaha high-low 8 or better, when the flop comes..... king, king,. queen! Dealers should never read the board out loud unless it is at the explicit request of a player.  What's next, asking players if anyone has a players aces-up beat before he deals the next hand.
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Re: Question about dealer
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 09:11:08 AM »
My dealers are not allowed to talk about the hand at all!
That includes announcing what the board is.
there is only one player at any of my games (at this point) how may ask as he is both color blind and short sighted!
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