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#71

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Undercall multiway

Last post by BROOKS - June 29, 2025, 06:16:30 PM

Guillaume - yes what you are correct with your 3 examples

Nick - while I am a huge fan of all of the Player's Responsibilities - especially making your intentions clear, silently betting doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to angle. A lot of people don't like to speak when they are betting or in the hand in general - as they don't want to give off any information. Speaking is only necessary when the chips you are putting out don't match what you want to bet: betting 2k using a 5k chip.


This is how I have it written simplified:

An undercall is a mandatory full call when facing any bet heads up, or the opening bet in a betting round.
(The big blind is the opening bet preflop)
   A bets 800, B calls 800, C says or puts out 500 (has not said call)
   C must call the full 800, because 800 was the opening bet
In other situations, TD may decide the undercaller may forfeit the undercall amount and fold, or complete the call
A  bets 200, B raises to 600, C calls 600, D says or puts out 200 (has not said call)
D would have the option to either fold and forfeit the 200, or complete the call of 600
If several undercalls happen in a row,  play backs up to the first undercaller, who must correct their bet. The TD will decide how to treat the hands of the other undercallers, based on the circumstances

Keep in mind - TD discretion always applies.

#72

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...

Last post by Dave Miller - June 26, 2025, 01:33:33 PM

For the record, many poker rooms use the rules described in that link for the blind positions, but don't actually move the button to the empty chair.

That was my practice as well in my pub league, until I saw the button moved to an empty seat in Las Vegas and asked the dealer about it. He said it's called the "dead button" rule - it helps him remember who the blinds are in that situation.

He's right and I've been doing it that way ever since.

#73

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...

Last post by Nick C - June 25, 2025, 04:26:15 PM

Las Vegas Casinos and The TDA use the DEAD BUTTON rule. This might help you understand the options.
https://homepokertourney.org/button.htm

#74

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...

Last post by Dave Miller - May 28, 2025, 02:10:09 AM

Buying the button is all well and good - for cash games. I assumed this question was regarding tournament play.

For the record, in my pub league, we try to stick to TDA tournament rules, but this is the type of situation where we revert to cash rules. All in the name of keeping it fun and friendly.

#75

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Sitting after the first ca...

Last post by Nick C - May 27, 2025, 08:21:19 PM

Hello, my friend. I am still hanging around.

I was looking over your old post and I thought you might like this.

BUYING THE BUTTON

  Buying the Button: There are two possible situations when a player can buy the button:
      #1  You miss your big blind and return to your seat. While you were gone, the player to your left was the BB. You will post a dead small and a big blind. The next hand you will have the button and the hand resumes as normal.

       #2  The button is in seat 1 the SB is in seat 2 seat 3 is vacant and seat 4 is the BB. On the following hand a new player is seated in seat 3 and buys the button!. That's it!

#76

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Undercall multiway

Last post by Nick C - May 27, 2025, 08:02:02 PM

Guillaume,

I agree with your #1
However, #2 and #3 are debatable if you ask me. I am not in favor of any "silent" raise. My dealers are trained to announce a raise immediately if the raising player is silent. There are times during rapid betting action when a player is not aware of a raise in front of him.
I understand that we must always wait for action in front of us to be completed before we act but why would a raising player be silent?

Think about this situation. When you raise, you want your opponent to know that you have raised, correct?
The only reason for a silent raise, in my opinion, would be to take advantage of the next player who had no intention of calling a raise.

Every situation is different, but I can't remember the last time I played in a game with a silent raise.

Players, make your intentions clear!

I suggest we look at the General concepts #2 Player responsibilities... in part, make your intentions clear!

#77

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Big Blind Ante - Ante Firs...

Last post by Nick C - May 27, 2025, 07:19:24 PM

I agree with Karlovic, you can never win more than your chips cover. The ante is what you are in for.

#78

Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Calling a raise before th...

Last post by Nick C - May 27, 2025, 07:14:59 PM

Hello, Guillaume and Vincenzo

I understand that ignorance of the rule is no excuse, but there are times when common sense might be the wiser decision.
There are some players who might take advantage of a player with little experience.

The idea is to have every player act in turn and wait for the action in front of them to be completed!

That would be the perfect situation, Kind of like playing poker online. The online site will not allow these mistakes.

As floorpersons, we need to make decisions that will be most fair for all players involved.

Was the player a repeat offender? Was the raise clear to him before he said call?

I guess my decision would demand at least a minimum raise. I have never been in favor of allowing any player to gain a windfall of chips, from an unclear bet. It is not in the best interest of the game.

When I was teaching new poker dealers, I would insist that they always wait for the in turn player to complete his bet, or check, or fold before the next player acts. I know it is easier said than done, but that is what we are striving for.
To all players, betting or raising, make your intentions clear!

Wouldn't that be nice?

#79

Non-TDA Tournament and General Poker Rules Discussion / Re: Rule 18

Last post by Dave Miller - May 16, 2025, 01:25:41 AM

That's news to me.

It's rare to be requested, and is described by players as bad etiquette.

But it's still in the current rules (October 2024).

#80

Non-TDA Tournament and General Poker Rules Discussion / Rule 18

Last post by David21 - May 14, 2025, 08:55:51 PM

Hello friends, if a player calls after the river and wants to see the aggressor's hand, he is within his rights if the caller still has his cards or has shown them.

Why do others have the idea that this rule has gone back and cannot be enforced


It's not like that?