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Nick C:
pineforest,
 I don't agree with you at all. As far as all the talk about players taking "angle shots," in my opinion those are the players you don't need in your tournament to begin with. Let the players play and enjoy the game. I think that repeat offenders should be reprimanded, as I mentioned, but to force a player to raise when it was obvious he did not understand the bet, is not a good decision.

pineforest:
Nick,
Nothing is obvious.  Maybe he said raise to get a read on the player who bet and now pretends he didn't know the action.  that is an angle shot and I will not re open his options.  It is the players responsibility to pay attention to the action.  Maybe if it is a home game, but we need to be consistant in real tournaments and when players wear headphone and dark sunglasses sometimes they miss things and it is their own fault and should not be given a second chance after stating their action because we truly do not know if it is an obvious mistake or not and it should be treated the same way all the time.

I agree you don't need players taking angle shot but be realistic. they are poker players and they are going to do things like this

Nick C:
pineforest,
 We could go back and forth forever on this. I guess until we enforce the rules with conviction, these players will keep pressing to see how much they can continue to get away with. If I felt that strongly about players wearing dark sunglasses or electronic devices, I would make a house rule that will give them no recourse to retract any bet that is unclear to them.

pineforest:
maybe we could go back and forth.  We just have to call it like we see it. 

By the way, I have no problem with players wearing sunglasses and headphones.

I do have a problem with players who don't pay attention and get mad about a ruling that doesn't allow them a second chance on their action.  I'm sorry Mr. Player that you made a mistake, Maybe it is an honest mistake or maybe it is a shot.  I don't know.  I will deal with it the same way I always do in this situatoin.  All he need to do is ask the dealer what the action is rather than acting without all the information.

Peace

Mrsvelvet:
mmmm Silent action again,,,see other thread  ;D

I think you both have valid points, if I had no prior knowledge of this player (so I couldn't justify "a Shot" allegation etc) and this was a players 1st offence, I would allow the chips to be retracted but issue the player with a "gentle verbal" warning, It is the players responsibility to be fully aware of what is going on and if unclear they should use their brain and check with the dealer before acting. However next time I would give him the option to complete or fold but those chips would remain in the pot. Again, and the penalties come in.

Personally I don't have an issue with Sunglasses but Walkmans ect I only allow providing it does not cause or prove to be a distraction to the dealer or other players at the table (and yes I have a house rule for that to  ::) )

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