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gabesz:
Hi all,

NLH tournament post flop action with 2 players, the first to act bet 4000 then the second player throw 2 chips in the middle (1500), then he realized the bet was 4000,what he can do?????he had headphones and he said he did not see and did not hear how much is a bet exactly, he tought the bet is only 1500....what he can do???

thank you

Stuart Murray:
under TDA rules he can retract his bet and reconsider his actions, but I would bind him to passive action only on the flop - i.e. make him only allowed to call or fold, unless the action changes.

I like the WSOP rule that if he threw in the 1,500 facing 4,000 the 1,500 would have to stay in regardless of whether he is going to call or fold.

Stuart

pineforest:
I would rule that the 1500 stays and his only options are to complete the call or fold.

Nick C:
 How can we force someone to leave chips in the pot when it was obvious that he didn't understand the bet in front of him? There are exceptions to almost every rule, and I think as long as the bet was retracted before the next player reacts, then I think the correct call is to let the player take their bet back. Of course if the next player takes any action, then it's too late. I think that is one of the reasons why the substantial action rule was created. To protect a player from an unclear bet. What would you do, if Player A bet 200 and Player B pushed out 1200 and Player C said raise and pushed 400 into the pot? You would have to assume that Player C was unaware of the raise, right?
 Players have a responsibility to pay attention to the action, but I think that the dealer is just as responsible to control the action. In my opinion, an honest mistake should be handled with a warning. If the same player repeats the infraction again, that is a different story. Repeat offenders, or those acting with intent should be forced to leave their bet in the pot, or call, as pineforest suggested.

That's the way I see it.

pineforest:
IMO it is the players responsiblity to know what is going on in the game. Even if the dealer did not anounce the raise.  Once those chips touch the felt they are going to stay.  If player has headphones on and did't hear the raise or if their sunglasses are so dark they don't see it or if they just arn't paying attention that is their own fault and I do not give them a break because of it.  If you do give them a break in this situation  you are opening the door for someone to take an angle shot.  In your example where the bet is 200 and one player raise to 1200 and the next player states raise and puts in 400.  I rule that they must make the minimum raise of 1000 to 2200. no if ands or buts.  Paying attention is part of the game.

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