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Strange Betting
edlerman:
Hi Stuart - by ridiculous amounts, do you feel this is not enough of each denomination, or too many? I can only assume not enough?
Stuart Murray:
yes I don't believe such sets per player to be adequate for the early to middle stages of a tourney, my recommended starting stacks shall contain 8x25 and 8x100.
With only 4 of each colour it can often cause problems ensuring players have correct change, players have to verbalise more actions they make so therefore I believe it not to be in the best interests of the game, more-so with a good structure that includes antes and deep levels, for example 75/150 or 300/600/a75 and with so little sets per player it means so many low values are already in use before action commences on the hand.
Many of the situations we see with regard to chip betting errors or confusion regarding players bets could be eradicated if players had sufficient chips in the first place that they could make their bets clear and correct.
Best Regards
Stuart
pineforest:
Hi guys,
Thanks for the input.
My real point is that players should not be allowed to put extra chips in the betting area. It opens the door for someone to take an angle shot. the extra chips could be a shot too. I understand we don't want to have a lot of extra rules but it would be nice if a rule addressed this. As a player and dealer I see this type of betting a lot in the casinos in Las Vegas. As a dealer I have always pushed back the extra chips and anounced the raise. As a floor / TD I don't see it unless a dealer call my attention to it. Dealers that don't play poker are oblivious to this being an issue. I have instructed my dealers to make change right away or push back the extra chip (s) and clearly anounce the raise. I was actually the player in the BB who put in the 1000 chip and 25 chip and said nothing. I understand it is the players responsibility to make their action clear.... but you all know how players are.... I just wanted to see how the wsop dealt with the situation. After discussing it with 5 floor people at the wsop 2 said they would rule it a raise and 3 said they would rule it a call. 7 other non-wsop floors I discussed it with said they would rule it a raise, and I also would rule it a raise. When I do the announcements at the beginning of a tournaments I always say "players...make your action clear and protect your hand at all times." Like anyone is listening.... LOL
I never understood players that makes actions that are unclear, unless they were trying to take a shot, and I have no problem addressing the shot takers.
Peace,
pineforest:
Stewart,
In the original story the player that put out the 1000 chip and the 25 chip also had about 20 - 100 unit chips and could have put in the proper amount but chose to do it the way he did. He was doing this type of betting from the moment I was seated at the table and it was getting under my skin. that is why I did what I did.
Now here is the really interesting thing. When I was polling the wsop td's 2 of them that said they would rule it a call, also said that if the player had put out the exact amount 525, ( raise of 325) and a player threw in a 1000 chip and a 25 chip after and said nothing they would still rule it a call.....and that blows my mind!!!!
Nick C:
pineforest,
This is very interesting. The only thing I would like to clarify is the last example that you gave when you said that the player put out the exact amount 525 (the initial raiser) and then a player throws in a 1000 and a 25 and says nothing. If the two chips were tossed in at the same time, it's a raise. If the 1000 is tossed in and then the 25, it's a call. Here is some more to think about; even if the player that follows the 325 raise (to a 525 total), tosses in two 500's it's still only a call. And by the way, the minimum raise could have totaled 850 (325more). The raiser in this case would have had to announce "raise to 850" or toss in a combination of chips that equaled that amount (one-500 three-100's and two 25's) for example. It would sure help the dealers, if the players had to announce clearly when, and how much they are raising. In a rule book writen by an author I respect, under Etiquite is writen; a raise should be announced.
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