Author Topic: Should dealers be considered when determining substantial action?  (Read 6902 times)

Nick C

  • TDA Member & Veteran Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3359
    • http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=557;sa=forumProfile
This subject has been discussed for as long as I've been a TDA member. At the 2011 Summit, "Substantial Action" was debated and the final (current) TDA rule was not adopted until Version 2.0 was released, a couple months after the Summit. Substantial action applies to so many different situations that it would be time consuming to list them all. Out of turn, skipped players, action taken on incorrect board cards, etc., etc,.

 What we do know, by definition...is that it requires action from at least two players, i.e. bet-call, bet-fold, bet-raise, check-bet, or any action from three player's. I have always believed that "Substantial Action" could never apply in head to head situations...that is, unless we consider the dealer as one of those persons.

 I propose that the actions of the dealer be considered as an aggressive player in the following situations: Whenever a player is skipped, the dealer's "tap and burn" is the same as a player... betting or calling.

 There is much more to discuss but I will leave that for further debate. This should be enough to get us started.

http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=947.0

http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=169.0

http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=150.0
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 08:11:52 AM by Nick C »

Tristan

  • TDA Member & Veteran Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 453
Re: Should dealers be considered when determining substantial action?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 11:36:55 AM »
For what it is worth, our house rules treat the dealer as one of the actions in substantial action for cash games.  While there have been a few minor protests, overall it seems to work very well. 

I personally like the rule that way.  I feel that it covers everything well, including HU play and it limits the premature burn and turn situations.
Tristan
@TristanWilberg on Twitter

Nick C

  • TDA Member & Veteran Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3359
    • http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=557;sa=forumProfile
Re: Should dealers be considered when determining substantial action?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 05:32:01 PM »
Tristan,

 I always appreciate your response, especially when we agree. :D I can also count on you to say exactly how you feel. Now all we need is a little feedback from some of our silent members.

 You said: "For what it's worth...." To that I'll say, let's see where this takes us.