Side track: Has anyone ever heard of the game people play when they read a fortune from a fortune cookie, and everyone adds the words "in bed" after the message? And it's supposed to really funny?
OK.. back to this thread.
Jasper,
You need to be more specific. I gave two different examples. Instead of going back and forth with you, maybe it would be better to fix the meaning of the word acted. >>> How about; when a players turn has come, or a players time to act. <<<
Ack! At the risk of putting words in Jasper's mouth, that's PRECISELY where he disagrees. WE ALL (you, Spence, and I) think that the word "acted" in Rule 7 on limit play and Rule 3 on no-limit play means "when a players turn or his time to act has come and gone". But Jasper is saying, NO, that's not what "acted" means. He is essentially saying that the words "
using chips" should be added after all instances of the word "acted" in those Rules, so while a player who has already acted USING CHIPS and not facing a sufficient wager may not subsequently raise a short all-in, players who have ACTED WITHOUT USING CHIPS ("check")
can still raise.
So, the moral of the story is, we will never be able to convince Jasper that a player can still have "acted" without putting chips into the pot, and so we are at an impasse. We all tried. Hard. The dead horse is beaten. Dead.

Limit-10 and 20...on the turn, Player A checks, Player B checks, Player C goes all-in for 5, options open to Player's A and B:
a.) Fold
b.) call 5....
Do you agree that they can not raise? Do you agree that they can not even complete? <<<
If I were a betting man, I'd BET that Jasper would NOT agree. He would say that A or B CAN complete to 20 here. The Limit Rule says that a player who has "not yet acted", facing an all-in wager of less than half a bet, may complete the wager. But Jasper will read this as a player who has not yet acted USING CHIPS, facing an all-in wager of less than half a bet, may complete the wager. Therefore both A or B can complete, since neither of them have acted USING CHIPS.
I know you disagree, as do I. But that's his view. Am I wrong, Jasper? ;-)
Alas, I think it's time to just agree to disagree, and move on. Really, it has been a blast. In bed.