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Guillaume Gleize

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2 cases folding too soon
« on: February 01, 2024, 03:41:42 PM »
What about those 2 cases of premature fold in self-dealing tournament (to cancel any comments on what the dealer should have done):

1) Preflop > The player at BB forget his position and folds his cards before without paying the BB > Only one player folds after him then everybody realize the error and call for the floor > The player must pay the BB but would like to take back his cards that are clearly discernible > Do you give him back his cards?

2) Postflop > Four players > Player A bets > players B and C fold > player A forget player D and folds before any action from player D > They call for the floor > Player A would like to take back his cards that are clearly discernible > Do you give him back his cards?

TY in advance - GG
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 03:10:53 AM by Guillaume Gleize »

Max D

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Re: 2 cases folding too soon
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2024, 09:48:25 AM »
In both cases I think we can use substantial action rule, there are "no arm no foul",  the card are retrievable and nobody as "subtantially acted".
Give the card back and keep going.
 
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Re: 2 cases folding too soon
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2024, 10:18:27 PM »
Yes, according to TDA rules, Max is correct. In both situations the players could have their cards back - as long as they were identifiable and retrievable. Which shouldn't be the case, since in both scenerios, other players have folded after them.

Here is the TDA wording. Although it is talking about showdown, the same should apply.

14: Live Cards at Showdown
Discarding non-tabled cards face down does not automatically kill them; players may change their minds and table cards that remain 100% identifiable and retrievable. Cards are killed by the dealer when pushed into the muck or otherwise rendered irretrievable and unidentifiable.