Single chip call or raise query?

[W0lfster]

Hello there,

Just was watching a poker vid on YouTube and came across this comment.

'I've seen people in a $1/$3 or $2/$3 game say "five", and put a $5 chip in, which is a raise to $6, because that's the minimum. If it was $2/$4, that would be a call, but if they said "raise to five", it would be a raise to $8. Seems pretty unlikely someone would make that mistake in a $2/$4 game though.'

Is this statement correct? As it was my assumption that all verbal declarations that insinuate or clearly say raise and is in this example under raises, they are forced to fully min raise. The multiple chip rule does not apply here either so if you don't say raise it could be considered a call. Any thoughts?

Thanks.

[Nick C]

Hi, W0lfster,

Nice to know that you're still involved in poker.

Any way you can send that Youtube link?

There's a difference between calling a bet and initiating a bet, as you know.

I'll check back later and see if there is anything you can add to clarify.

[W0lfster]

Hello Nick,

Yes I am indeed!

Thanks for your reply, unfortunately it's not in the video but rather comments section, I can send it to you if you still want?

That would be great thank you 😀

[Nick C]

Sure

Send it and I'll give it a shot!

[Nick C]

Why would any player say 5 facing a 3 blind?

According to TDA rules...In your example of the player saying "raise to 5" while facing a 4 bet...yes, of course it would have to be the min raise to 8.

Remember, TDA Rules do not allow verbal confusing bets...such as: No limit 2/3 blinds...Raise it 20 more! That would be the total allowed (20}...not 23

I don't like it, but that's what the TDA wants!

[W0lfster]

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/Zc1uHXgZGNc

[Nick C]

Fell asleep looking for your video...nothing yet.

Goodnight

[W0lfster]

Hi Nick,

I hear your point about the verbal confusion bets and I understand the TDA's standing of the rule you mention. On the other hand I don't see anything about saying a number under the call without saying raise, this is the confusion I am having.

In regards to the link for the video, I have sent it in my last reply.

I hope that helps!

[Nick C]

The link you sent me had some great games and situations, however, I did not come across the one you mentioned.

I don't understand how any player in a 1/3 game would say make it 5?.....It has to be 6...like you said, unless he's all-in for 5

[W0lfster]

If you look back at the video, scroll through the comments section and you will find it. Thankfully there aren't too many comments to scroll through so you will not be there all day.

Yes and that's the point, the example was a mistake on purpose to highlight what the procedure would be. You are right it would be a raise to 6 but the TDA says you need to say 'raise' to qualify as a raise, simply saying a number that is an underraise is not sufficient or if it is, it is not clarified.