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Rule 46 query and breaking tables, hand for hand confusion.
W0lfster:
Hi there,
Just thought I’d ask what the rulings were on these given situations. I have read the TDA rules thoroughly but still not clear on the following and was wondering if you could please help me:
1. Rule 46 I sort of understand but the example shown confuses me... namely ‘If prior chips don’t cover the call AND are left alone. Ex: THE 25-50, the BB posts two 25’s, button raises to 600 total (550 more to BB). 1: Adding an overchip is a call (drop a 1k chip onto the two 25’s).’
Why is this a call? The smallest denomination chip of 25 can be removed and leave at least the call amount and removed leaves 1025 which is more than 50% of 600 raised.
2. Breaking/balancing tables - what is the ruling in this? Is it always the players about to be BB move to another table? It says the worst position, what is the worst position? Are tables always balanced if an opportunity to balance comes up in an MTT or is it only done during certain intervals?
3. Random drawing for seats - what is the ruling here when it comes to highest card by suit is dealt first? I thought it was Ace was dealer and every other card that was numbered was their corresponding seat. What is the suit order?
4. A situation that come up at home. Dealer burns 2 cards instead of 1 and deals the flop. What is the ruling here?
5. In hand for hand, I read somewhere that the hand plays for 2 minutes. Please explain this to me as I can’t understand this.
Thank you 🙂
BillM16:
--- Quote from: W0lfster on August 23, 2020, 04:03:20 AM ---1. Rule 46 I sort of understand but the example shown confuses me... namely ‘If prior chips don’t cover the call AND are left alone. Ex: THE 25-50, the BB posts two 25’s, button raises to 600 total (550 more to BB). 1: Adding an overchip is a call (drop a 1k chip onto the two 25’s).’
Why is this a call? The smallest denomination chip of 25 can be removed and leave at least the call amount and removed leaves 1025 which is more than 50% of 600 raised.
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The player did not verbalize their action prior to adding chips to their prior-bet chips. This violates Rule #46-A and causes confusion.
The player is facing a raise but they did not pull back prior bet chips so Rule #46-B does not apply.
The player's prior bet chips were left alone and they do not cover the raise amount of 550. So, Rule #46-C applies. Your question recognizes one possible interpretation of the players intent, but we truly don't know their intent as they violated #46-A. The TDA decided that when considering ONLY a single NEW chip, an oversized chip is always a call. The reasoning is consistent with Rule #44 Oversized Chip Betting. (Note, #44 does not address prior bet chips).
BillM16:
--- Quote from: W0lfster on August 23, 2020, 04:03:20 AM ---2. ... Is it always the players about to be BB move to another table? It says the worst position, what is the worst position? ...
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Rule #11 Balancing Tables and Halting Play
A: To balance in flop & mixed-games, the player to be big blind next moves to the worst position, including single big blind if available, even if that means the seat is big blind twice. Worst position is never the small blind. In stud-only, players move by position (last seat open at the short table is the seat filled).
So, the answer to your first question above is yes: the player to be BB next moves to the worst position. In general, the worst position is where the BB will occur soonest.
BillM16:
--- Quote from: W0lfster on August 23, 2020, 04:03:20 AM ---3. Random drawing for seats - what is the ruling here when it comes to highest card by suit is dealt first? I thought it was Ace was dealer and every other card that was numbered was their corresponding seat. What is the suit order?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_card_by_suit
W0lfster:
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your reply, it makes more sense now. I think the key here is NEW chips added. I read that rule 46 also applies to prior chips partly pulled back or if prior chips cover the call. Where would partly pull back apply? And could you please give some examples?
Thanks 🙂
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