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#61
Las Vegas Casinos and The TDA use the DEAD BUTTON rule. This might help you understand the options.
https://homepokertourney.org/button.htm
#62
Buying the button is all well and good - for cash games. I assumed this question was regarding tournament play.

For the record, in my pub league, we try to stick to TDA tournament rules, but this is the type of situation where we revert to cash rules. All in the name of keeping it fun and friendly.
#63
Hello, my friend. I am still hanging around.

I was looking over your old post and I thought you might like this.

BUYING THE BUTTON

  Buying the Button: There are two possible situations when a player can buy the button:
      #1  You miss your big blind and return to your seat. While you were gone, the player to your left was the BB. You will post a dead small and a big blind. The next hand you will have the button and the hand resumes as normal.

       #2  The button is in seat 1 the SB is in seat 2 seat 3 is vacant and seat 4 is the BB. On the following hand a new player is seated in seat 3 and buys the button!. That's it!

#64
Guillaume,

I agree with your #1
However, #2 and #3 are debatable if you ask me. I am not in favor of any "silent" raise. My dealers are trained to announce a raise immediately if the raising player is silent. There are times during rapid betting action when a player is not aware of a raise in front of him.
I understand that we must always wait for action in front of us to be completed before we act but why would a raising player be silent?

Think about this situation. When you raise, you want your opponent to know that you have raised, correct?
The only reason for a silent raise, in my opinion, would be to take advantage of the next player who had no intention of calling a raise.

Every situation is different, but I can't remember the last time I played in a game with a silent raise.

Players, make your intentions clear!

I suggest we look at the General concepts #2 Player responsibilities... in part, make your intentions clear!
#65
I agree with Karlovic, you can never win more than your chips cover. The ante is what you are in for.
#66
Hello, Guillaume and Vincenzo

I understand that ignorance of the rule is no excuse, but there are times when common sense might be the wiser decision.
There are some players who might take advantage of a player with little experience.

The idea is to have every player act in turn and wait for the action in front of them to be completed!

That would be the perfect situation, Kind of like playing poker online. The online site will not allow these mistakes.

As floorpersons, we need to make decisions that will be most fair for all players involved.

Was the player a repeat offender? Was the raise clear to him before he said call?

I guess my decision would demand at least a minimum raise. I have never been in favor of allowing any player to gain a windfall of chips, from an unclear bet. It is not in the best interest of the game.

When I was teaching new poker dealers, I would insist that they always wait for the in turn player to complete his bet, or check, or fold before the next player acts. I know it is easier said than done, but that is what we are striving for.
To all players, betting or raising, make your intentions clear!

Wouldn't that be nice?
#67
That's news to me.

It's rare to be requested, and is described by players as bad etiquette.

But it's still in the current rules (October 2024).
#68
Non-TDA Tournament and General Poker Rules Discussion / Rule 18
Last post by David21 - May 14, 2025, 08:55:51 PM
Hello friends, if a player calls after the river and wants to see the aggressor's hand, he is within his rights if the caller still has his cards or has shown them.

Why do others have the idea that this rule has gone back and cannot be enforced


It's not like that?
#69
Quote from: Vincenzo Morabito on April 16, 2025, 01:01:04 AMHello Guillaume!

As the rule says: "If Player A declares "bet" or "raise" and B calls before A's exact bet amount is known, the TD will rule the bet as best fits the situation including possibly obliging B to call any amount."

In my opinion, the possibility of losing any minimum raise could open up scenarios that should be properly regulated by a specific written rule.

I also think that we cannot properly speak of out-of-turn action, since this is a different specific case. There is no action in the declaration of the raise amount, that is, the action is already defined as a raise.

I believe that defending the strength of the verbal declaration is fundamental in a interpreting the spirit and the principles of all the regulation and the written rules as well. So in a very few cases I will fit the situation in a different way to obliging B to call any amount.

TY very much for your answer Vincenzo.

To be honest my final conclusion was slightly different from yours because, for the moment, I will usually use the #2 solution and only in very few cases I will fit the situation to choose the #1 obliging B to call any amount. Plus for me C is OOT because the decision of B is NOT over (and so not clear).

But be sure that your answer is IMPORTANT for me, even if slightly opposed to mine. And I will count with it if some other TDs answer me the same way as you.
#70
Hello Guillaume!

As the rule says: "If Player A declares "bet" or "raise" and B calls before A's exact bet amount is known, the TD will rule the bet as best fits the situation including possibly obliging B to call any amount."

In my opinion, the possibility of losing any minimum raise could open up scenarios that should be properly regulated by a specific written rule.

I also think that we cannot properly speak of out-of-turn action, since this is a different specific case. There is no action in the declaration of the raise amount, that is, the action is already defined as a raise.

I believe that defending the strength of the verbal declaration is fundamental in a interpreting the spirit and the principles of all the regulation and the written rules as well. So in a very few cases I will fit the situation in a different way to obliging B to call any amount.