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POKER TOURNAMENT RULES QUESTIONS & DISCUSSIONS => Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General => Topic started by: David21 on October 29, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
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Hello Sirs
Sorry for my english
card deal. absent player.
we have a doubt.
the initial deal the first card is dealt, a player is not seated, but comes before the second letter. He can play?
gracias
DAVID
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David,
Si, puede jugar.
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Rule 29: A player must be at his seat when the last card is dealt on the initial deal in order to have a live hand.
So yes.
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Hello Max,
I have a question on 'initial deal' wording.
If a player is not seated and a missdeal is declared, is the player allowed to play the redealt hand ?
Regards,
Boris
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Boris,
I don't believe a misdeal would be called. The absent players hand is mucked and the hand plays out. If I'm missing something, or some other incident causes a misdeal, I would allow the absent player to be dealt in if he returned in time to qualify for a hand, as described within the rues.
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Boris,
I don't believe a misdeal would be called. The absent players hand is mucked and the hand plays out. If I'm missing something, or some other incident causes a misdeal, I would allow the absent player to be dealt in if he returned in time to qualify for a hnd, within the rues.
Agreed with Nick, no misdeal.
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Hello Nick & Max,
I was not clear in my statement, let me run it twice.
Dealer get the last card out, so the deal is completed. Player 8 is not seated, he gets his hand mucked.
Before first action occurs, it appears that a player who is not at the button, is missing a card.
Missdeal is declared.
Dealer deals again the same hand.
Will player 8 be allowed to play the hand if he is at his seat for the new deal ?
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Boris,
I would say yes. As long as he made it back in time for the redeal. Not much different from a missed blind returning in time to post.
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I would like to say player 8 is not allowed to play the hand!
Rule 34 c:
"In a misdeal, the re-deal is an exact re-play: ... . Cards are dealt to players on penalty or who were not at their seats for the original deal, then their hands are killed..."
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I would like to say player 8 is not allowed to play the hand!
Rule 34 c:
"In a misdeal, the re-deal is an exact re-play: ... . Cards are dealt to players on penalty or who were not at their seats for the original deal, then their hands are killed..."
I agree. I was actually going to post the same thing, just couldn't find the rule at the time. Player 8 must wait for the button to move before playing a hand.
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I'm familiar with the rule, but not sure the player in question falls into the category of a player on penalty. If Steff0111 and GreggPath are correct, I'd say the rule needs a little work.
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Why?
Itīs just fair to all players being at their place at the original deal. Player 8 would get an advantage.
By the way... cheating between dealer and player 8 is prohibited too. Player 8 and the dealer could be best buddies...
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If a misdeal were called and an absent player returned in time for the deal...why would you deal him out? I don't understand your logic and I certainly don't understand how any relationship between the dealer and the player in seat 8 has anything to do with the original question.
It seems we are always looking to Roberts Rules whenever we can not find a definitive answer in the TDA Rules...let's see if we can find anything that will confirm your suggested punishment? I doubt it.
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If a misdeal were called and an absent player returned in time for the deal...why would you deal him out? I don't understand your logic and I certainly don't understand how any relationship between the dealer and the player in seat 8 has anything to do with the original question.
It seems we are always looking to Roberts Rules whenever we can not find a definitive answer in the TDA Rules...let's see if we can find anything that will confirm your suggested punishment? I doubt it.
As mentioned above, it is covered in TDA 2015 Rule 34C.
Cards are dealt to players on penalty or who were not at their seats for the original deal, then their hands are killed.
You don't deal them out, but you do deal them in and kill their hand.
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As Nick pointed out, the rule is clear.
But here is one reason why the rule exists:
Suppose the dealer IS a friend of the missing player. Without the rule, a deliberate misdeal would provide the player the needed extra time.
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I say, if the player were under a penalty hand during the misdeal the rule would apply. However, that was not the case, therefore I would deal the player in. that's my take, and I'm sticking to it! ;D
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This might be a new way of thinking about this, but, technically, the player IS on a penalty.
Note: This assumes the rule is that a player needs to be at his seat before the first card is dealt.
Since the player was not at his seat at the required time, he is disqualified from that hand. I.E. He is not allowed to play his hand even if he returns before the action would have gotten to him.
The penalty lasts for the duration of the hand, which includes the misdeal and re-deal.
When using the last card dealt rule, I'd allow the player to play the hand if he returns before the last card of the re-deal, even though that allows for the dealer-player collusion I described above.
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Dave: Correction! A player does not have to be at his seat when the first card is dealt...that has been changed in 2015.
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Perhaps this should be reconsidered in 2017. Please see:
http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.0 (http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.0)