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Title: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: Guillaume Gleize on July 15, 2015, 08:14:11 AM

Hello,

I know the new TDA RULES won't be updated until some delay but I really would like to kow if during the last summit the TDA had a discussion about the Substential Action?

To be clear:

CHECK + BET

or

FOLD + CALL

Are substantial action or not?

TY

Title: Re: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: MikeB on July 15, 2015, 10:01:09 AM

Hi GG:

Hear discussion on this topic on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tKqrDip3f0

Substantial Action (Rule 35 in the 2013 Rules) is discussed from 1:29:40 to 1:35:00

No change was made to the language of the rule in 2015.

Title: Re: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: Guillaume Gleize on July 15, 2015, 01:47:33 PM

Damn I see that ...  :(

OK so I will follow but desagree.

BET+FOLD is a SUB ACTION right?

Title: Re: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: MikeB on July 15, 2015, 02:25:03 PM

GG:

Yes. See WSOP 2011 Rules, #81:

https://www.wsop.com/2011/2011-WSOP-RULES.pdf

Above is the rule that the TDA adopted at the 2011 Summit, despite isolated comments that got it wrong initially, and Version 1.0 that was published with the wrong language.

You can clearly see the following listed as substantial action: "a fold and a call". To get to the bet and fold you have to navigate the torturous language at the end of the rule which gives 3 more SA options: bet and raise, bet (or raise) and call, bet (or raise) and fold.

Title: Re: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: Guillaume Gleize on July 16, 2015, 04:15:43 AM

Clear TY

 :(

Title: Re: Substantial Action Discussion at TDA Summit 2015
Post by: WSOPMcGee on July 19, 2015, 01:58:01 PM

Quote from: Guillaume Gleize on July 16, 2015, 04:15:43 AM

Clear TY

 :(

I 2nd that opinion.