Hello!
Blinds 200-400
Player A bets 1400
Player B all-in 1800
Player C minraise is 2800 right?
I would think it's 2,400.
A's raise of 1,000 plus another 1,000.
Hello Dave,
TY for the answer!
Sorry but for me the minraise must be calculated from the bigger amount (so here 1800) !?
I know the all-in is not a raise but it can't be ignored to calculate the minraise if it is superior to any previous bet !?
Because imagine if the all-in were higher (while still not an official raise):
200-400
A bets 1400
B all-in 2300
So you think the minraise is here 2400 ?
Something is wrong don't you think so ?
For me here the minraise is 3300 !
I just checked the rules again, but couldn't find anything specific. The rules do address when multiple small all-ins reopened the betting, but not this particular question of a minimum raise - possibly because it would be such terrible strategy that the issue doesn't come up.
In fact, the only reason I could think of to ask the question is if somebody declares raise without realizing there was already a small partial raise all-in, and wants to know what his minimal requirement would be.
Quote from: Dave Miller on November 03, 2025, 11:17:44 PMIn fact, the only reason I could think of to ask the question is if somebody declares raise without realizing there was already a small partial raise all-in, and wants to know what his minimal requirement would be.
... That's it ... ::)
On a somewhat related note, I manage a pub poker league. I wrote a rules document a few years ago which addresses many confusing rules as well as this point.
QuoteA bet of 400 followed by an all in of 775, a minimum raise is 800.
It correctly implies that you can call for 775. Silently putting in 800 is a call of 775.
If you're interested, it's a 7 page document with the above quote in the first paragraph on page 2.
https://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/poker.html
Quote from: Guillaume Gleize on November 03, 2025, 12:19:01 PMHello!
Blinds 200-400
Player A bets 1400
Player B all-in 1800
Player C minraise is 2800 right?
This is a little confusing and it depends on if this is on the flop or preflop.
If it's
preflop then A is raising to 1400 (a 1000 raise)
Which means next raise needs to be at least 1000
B goes all in for 1800
C would have to raise at least 1000 more to 2800
But...
If it's on the
flop then A is betting 1400. Which means next raise needs to be at least 1400
B goes all in for 1800
C would need to raise at least 1400 more, so minimum would be 3200
Minimum raise is always determined by the last legal/valid bet amount.
This is how I have it written for when I am teaching:
Any raises after the short all-in must be at least the size of last valid bet/raise
Example 1:
- A bets 500, B calls 500, C is all in for 900
- If D wants to raise, they must raise by at least 500 - the last valid bet/raise
- C's raise all in to 900 was only a raise of 400 - not a valid raise
Example 2:
- A bets 500, B raises to 1200, C goes all in for 1500
- If D wants to raise, they must raise by at least the amount of the last valid bet/raise
- The last valid raise was when B raised by 700, therefore D must raise by at least 700 to 2200
Example 3:
- A bets 500, B all in for 900, C all in for 1300, D calls 1300
- If E wants to raise, they must raise by at least 500 - the last valid bet/raise
- The 2 short all in's do not count as raises, the last valid bet/raise was A's initial bet of 500
Quote from: BROOKS on November 04, 2025, 07:16:15 PMQuote from: Guillaume Gleize on November 03, 2025, 12:19:01 PMHello!
Blinds 200-400
Player A bets 1400
Player B all-in 1800
Player C minraise is 2800 right?
This is a little confusing and it depends on if this is on the flop or preflop.
TY Brooks > My example was preflop for sure (thus the blinds) so we agree on 2800 ! TY
While I've always taught my new dealers the other way, I have no strong feelings either way.
But I'm not gonna change my procedures until it's in the TDA rules.
It in the TDA.
It's just written pretty complicated/confusing.
Which is why I have rewritten and simplified the wording.
But it's currently covered in Rule 43.
Here is an example from the Illustration Addendum:
Example 2:NLHE, Blinds 50-100. Pre-flop A is under the gun and goes all-in for a total of 150 (an increase in the bet of 50). So, we have a 100 blind bet and an all-in wager that increases the total by 50. Which is larger? The 100 is still the "largest bet or raise of the current round", so if B wants to re-raise he must raise at least 100 for a total of 250.