A TDA member submitted the following interesting question by email, it's posted here to share the discussion. See answers in red.
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I have a question about action out of turn in a PLO tournament. Action out of turn is binding unless the action in front changes. A check, fold, or call is not considered a change in action. With that in mind what would be the ruling in the following example...
On the flop with 3 players in the hand. The pot currently has 20k and Player A has bet 15k. Player C acts out of turn by declaring a pot size raise. Is the amount of Player C's bet affected by the action of Player B?
Yes. Best to interpret the rule literally in this case: if B checks, folds, or calls the action to C doesn't change, i.e. C has a binding committment to make a pot-size raise when the correct action reaches him in turn.
I ask because if Player B folds a pot sized bet would be 65k. However, if Player B calls the bet would be 80k.
Right, and that's the minutiae to stay away from, just go with the rule literally: if B checks, folds, or calls, C must make a pot size raise at the time the correct action reaches him. It's player's responsibility to follow the action, and be aware of the betting amounts occurring in real time..
Is the decision different if Player C's action was verbal or if they placed chips in the pot? (for example if they threw out 4-$25k chips).
Throwing out four 25k's is not identical to verbally declaring a pot-size raise. It is identical to declaring "100 thousand", if it's a raise, or making a multiple-chip call if four 25k's silently doesn't equal a valid raise. Silent chip raises are always "the maximum allowable for the chip(s)" (Rule 42). If a pot-size bet is 65K and the player overbets by either verbally declaring "100K" or silently pushing out 100k in chips, then 35k will be returned in change.
Thanks for your time and I look forward to reading your answer,
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