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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer says its 300 more to you

« Last post by BROOKS on March 26, 2024, 01:12:59 PM »

I didn't go back and read through all the old replies, but I do not agree with Nick's most recent reply.

The dealer should not be telling the player how much 'more'. They should just be stating the total bet amount.
Telling them how much more is helping them make their decision.

Same thing when a player goes all in, we don't say the amount, we just say they are all in.
Dealer announcing 'all in' to a player that isn't really paying much attention, that player might just fold, because all in sounds like a big bet. But if the dealer says 'all in for 225' or 'all in - 25 more', they are basically pointing out that it isn't much more to call.
The all in amount isn't announced until a player whose turn it is to act, asks.  For this very reason.

It's the same for raises that aren't all in. Dealer should just be announcing the total bet size. Not 'helping' the player decide that it's a 'good deal' and only "x" amount more.
It's the same reason we don't tell them how much is in the pot.
The players should be paying attention and making their decisions based off of their own observations without the dealer offering extra information.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer says its 300 more to you

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 03:40:33 AM »

Motobaka72

This is a very old post but I thought I would tell you how I've always done it when I was dealing.

Six players called the 200 BB...The BB raises to 500...As the dealer, I announce RAISE! looking to the under the gun I say 300 more to call!
Raise, three hundred to call! That's it and that's the best way to handle that situation. When a player pushes all-in, that is a different situation. Never waste time counting down a bet until the bet is called.

Player pushes all-in with large stacks of chips...do not count them down unless it is requested.

Clarifying each bet amount will avoid confusion and make the hand move along smoothly.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Color Down Single Oversize Chip

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 03:15:01 AM »

Hello, Dave

 On your single chip situation the oversize chip rule applies. An example would be for the dealer to make the proper change in turn when possible, and preferably from the pot.
Example: Player facing a 100 bet while only having a 500 chip...as the dealer, I would give the 400 change back to the calling player before the action continues. If there is not enough in the pot to make change, make change from your rack and then proceed.

It has been my experience that leaving the oversize chip in front of the player without changing it, can cause confusion especially when there are multiple players in the hand.

The only other mention is if the player initiates the bet after the flop by tossing his chip into the pot, the 500 chip will be the bet unless he verbally declares a lesser amount.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Tabling of Hand - Card Off Table

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 02:56:32 AM »

Welcome Chubby9811
I agree with David.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 02:50:12 AM »

I need more information to answer your questions.

In your first example I want to know how many players were in the hand, and when did the BB fold?
It's hard to imagine that the betting began in proper order.

I never liked the idea of retrieving mucked cards.

You mentioned that many of these players were originally online players. That might be a good way to arrive at the proper decision.

When playing online, none of these scenarios are even possible. You can't act out of turn and you can not retrieve a mucked hand.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 24, 2024, 09:29:15 AM »

In both cases, the cards should be returned, and remain in play. Identifiable, and retrievable, etc.

Of course, for the BB, a warning/penalty is not necessary. After all, he’s playing out of position, and more or less told anybody that’s paying attention that he’s got crappy cards. 🤪

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Boris on March 23, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »

Hello folks,

I beg to differ with my fellow companions.

Case 1 : IMO it is a fold out of turn. Player should pay attention to the game, so they should know when they are required to post and when to act. Hand is mucked, player gets a warning.
Case 2 : I agree, if cards are identifiable, player A gets their card back, and a warning for the same reason above.

However, I know which kind of tournament Guillaume is talking about, these tend to not penalize too much because a fair proportion of players are online players and are not used to live tournaments, so in case 1, I may use rule 1 to give the cards back and still issue a friendly warning. (which does not count as a real one)

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Tabling of Hand - Card Off Table

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 15, 2024, 06:25:22 AM »

It plays.

To kill the hand on a technicality is a mistake - particularly since the TDA is trying to get away from the ability to win based on a technicality.

If the player was attempting to do something stupid or fancy when tabling, then they can be given a warning. But the post indicates the opposite - the player was attempting to properly table the cards. Therefore, they should be retrieved and tabled, and the hand played out.

If you somehow think a card switch occurred, play out the hand, then verify that the deck is legit before awarding the pot. (A DeckMate 2 can do this in about 15 seconds...)

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Tabling of Hand - Card Off Table

« Last post by Chubby9811 on March 14, 2024, 05:35:14 PM »

Tournament is down to 5/269.  Player A moves all in, Player B calls all in.  Player A tables their hand, AsKc.  Player B starts to table their hand and it catches the felt and both cards start to fly off table, video review shows that Player B did nothing out of ordinary and was attempting to table the hand appropriately.  Player B is able to stop 1 card and it lands face up on the rail.  Card 2 goes past rail, Player B catches the card in his hand, just above his lap.

Dealer unable to identify the two cards - other than they were both hearts. 

Cards were AhQh.

What would you rule and why?

Thanks
Don Tinordi
Poker Manager - ACE Poker Room - Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Color Down Single Oversize Chip

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 10, 2024, 05:53:21 PM »

I couldn't find a rule or procedure for this, but I think there should be.

At the start of any hand, if a player has a single oversize chip, or two chips of a size that can make the action unclear, the dealer should color it down at the first opportunity - before it's that player's turn to act. At least in poker rooms where the dealers work from track and color up pots during the regular action. I.E. The dealer has the chips to do it without asking a player.

I make this suggestion because I work from a rack in my pub league, and too often I've run into the situation where the player puts his last chip in, and assumes it's all in since it was all his chips - or mumbles something forcing me to ask for clarification.

For example, the blinds are 300/600 and a player has a single 1K chip, or two 500 chips, and nothing else. Breaking down the chips to one 500 and five 100, would make silent action obvious when it's his turn.

Otherwise, asking for a clarification effectively gives the player time to gauge reactions and change their intention.

In this scenario the difference is relatively insignificant. But what if the player was down to a single 5k chip?