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Questions about raise amounts.

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Nick C:
Raise rules have always created confusion to bet amounts. I have always questioned the following rule;
 43:  Raise Amounts

A: A raise must be at least equal to the largest prior full bet or raise of the current betting round. A player who raises 50% or more of the largest prior bet but less than a minimum raise must make a full minimum raise. If less than 50% it is a call unless “raise” is first declared or the player is all-in (Rule 45-B). Declaring an amount or pushing out the same amount of chips is treated the same (Rule 40-C). Ex: NLHE, opening bet is 1000, verbally declaring “Fourteen hundred” or silently pushing out 1400 in chips are both calls unless raise is first declared. See Illustration Addendum.

What I really like about TDA #45....EX-1 Player A opens for 400 B raises to 1100 total (a 700 raise)
I could never understand why the TDA considers an unintended raise amount. Back in the day...if player A bet 400, Player B would say "raise 700 more, or make it 1100. By today's TDA rules...if Player B says Raise 1100 more, or Raise 1100...that is his total bet. The intended amount was 1500.

Dave Miller:

--- Quote from: Nick C on July 25, 2022, 03:04:09 AM ---…if Player B says Raise 1100 more, or Raise 1100...that is his total bet. The intended amount was 1500.
--- End quote ---
Um, your two examples are NOT the same. In the first example, “more” is very important. That’s 1500 total. The second example is 1100 total.

It it’s not our job to try to figure out what a player intended. That’s why the TDA rules are so comprehensive and complex.



--- Quote from: TDA Rule 43B ---Without other clarifying information, declaring raise and an amount is the total bet. Ex: A opens for 2000, B declares “Raise, eight thousand.” The total bet is 8000.
--- End quote ---

Nick C:
Hi, Dave

In the example when I said: "raise 1100 more" The intent is to increase the 400 to 1500...correct? However, that is not what the ruling indicates. I would have to say: Raise 1500...the word "more" is not even considered with the current rule.

In my opinion, it just complicates verbal raises.

Dave Miller:
I could have sworn that I had seen in the rules that 'more' is an acceptable modifying term.

Therefore, if the bet is 400, saying "Raise, 1100 more" means "Raise 1500". Ditto for "Raise of 1100". Frankly, I think allowing these modifiers makes it LESS confusing, while merely saying "Raise 1500" can easily be interpreted two ways: For a total of 1500 or a total of 1900.

But now that I couldn’t find that rule, I don’t know. 🤔


For the record, I've had players argue that "Raise 1500" is different from "Raise <pause> 1500" in that the former means a total of 1900 while the latter is a total of 1500. 😵‍💫

Nick C:
Dave

You have just confirmed my argument. The TDA does not agree with, or allow saying "raise,1100 more." That statement following a 400 bet would be ruled a total of 1100...not the intended 1500.

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