Under TDA Rules there's no question that both of these hands should have been turned up after an all-in was made, called, and all betting action for the hand was complete after betting on the flop.
But that didn't happen for the obvious reason that this venue doesn't use that rule.
What I find more interesting is this statement:
This was because in The Star rule book, there is nothing that says players must show their hands when all-in, and that because there was "forward motion with the intention to muck" from the player with the better hand, his hand was deemed dead..
This gets to the critical question of when cards are dead and can no longer be tabled by the player.. If we assume that everyone agrees that a clearly tabled hand (which also needs to be defined) which iis the best hand cannot be mucked, then that only leaves the question of when a non-tabled hand is dead at showdown. Is it: A) when a player makes a "muck-like" gesture, tossing cards forward face down without any verbal (as in this case) or B) when a player makes a statement that can be construed as capitulation (such as "looks like you win") or C) only if a player formally declares "fold"; or D) once the dealer takes possession; or E) once the dealer does a "killing ritual" such as tap to the muck; or F) only when the cards are buried irretrievably in the muck.
Then we have the tangent question of asking to see a hand (ATSAH). Even if the hand is dead by something less than F above, if the "winning" surviving player asks to see the hand is it now live? OR is it that even if the hand is still live, if someone other than the surviving winning player asks to see the hand it is dead upon being shown?
Clarifying all this in one rule seems doable and would certainly resolve alot of showdown disputes that involve the question of whether a hand is live or not at the showdown.
Asking to see a hand (at least a called hand) has been a basic showdown procedure forever. Exactly when it was changed, I don't know.
As far as a showdown situation not involving an all-in, I say a hand is dead once it is surrendered by the owner and is mucked by the dealer. This, of course, will only apply if the hand were not properly tabled.
So that gives us at least 4 definitions of tabling:
What is a properly tabled hand? One that is exposed, face-up, for all to see. It is unnecessary to fully release the cards from your hand. The recommended method would be to hold the cards in a manner that secures them, yet they are clearly visible to all. Cards should only be released when a better hand is tabled, or only after the dealer has pushed you the pot!
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If that was the case I will support the TD call on the floor since at that moment the cards Face Up once all the remaining players were all ins was not mandatory since not all the involved players were all in.
And the showdown order was followed normally and was the player responsibility to show his cards.
A- Is not the spirit of the rule 11 to speed up the game and avoid any kind of delays but (or) is also to make sure that the proper winning hand be awarded?
B- Once at least one player is all in none of the remaining players at the showdown has the right to fold his hand face down and keep his hold cards in secret, so we should teach the dealers to always force the players to show their cards and in case that they do fold them face down must the dealer show up the card with no need to muck it