What if the BB raised to 5,500 and UTG put in 5K silently? It is a single undersized chip. Would this be treated the same as multiple chips?
What is the entire scenario here? is it same as:
UTG has 2000 prior bet in front
BB raises to 5500 total (3500 raise to the UTG),
UTG puts out 5k more silently on top of the 2000 in front?
If that's your scenario, then it's a single overchip, the prior chip(s) weren't disturbed, so it's a call of 5500 by the UTG.
Let's see if I have this right yet.
The UTG's single 5K chip is less than the 5,500 bet made by the BB. Yet, it is considered an overchip as the amount to call is only 3,500 when we include the 2K that was prior bet chips not yet pulled in.
Look at it this way: the BB raises to 5500, the UTG already has 2000 in front,
SO it's 3500 more to call and the BB silently puts out 5k. When you respond to a bet with a single silent chip that's larger than the amount to call, it's a call.. Don't get into the trap of thinking "well the total bet is 5500 and the guy puts out 5000 so that's not enough". Instead, look at how much the action is to the player: here it's 3500 more and he puts out 5k.
Given, it is a single new chip and that the prior chips were not disturbed, this is ruled a call, even though the total UTG chips now exceed 50% of a full raise.
Right, for reasons above. Let's say I'm in a 1k-2k game in seat 6. Seat 3 opens for 4k, Seat 4 folds, Seat 5 makes it 10k and I silently put out a single 25k chip (an "overchip"). I've put out 150% of a full raise, but I've still just called.
Otherwise, had the UTG either disturbed the prior bet chips or put in five 1K chips, it would have been ruled 50% of a full raise and the total would have to become 9,000. (See Illustration, Situation 1: #3.)
Correct. 5k is added in both cases however with the single 5k the UTG is making a standard silent overchip call, he's not verbalizing OR "indicating with chips" that he wants to bet the entire 5k. With the five 1k chips he is absolutely making the point that all 5 chips are in play.
Hence Rule 46-C-1, silent multiple new chips are subject to the 50% rule. As background all these scenarios were debated at length and agreed to at the 2017 Summit, case-by-case.
(Interestingly, and merely a side note: If UTG+1 had also made a 2K prior call we could have a situation where UTG adds 5K and UTG+1 adds five 1K chips and UTG would be ruled a call and UTG+1 would be a ruled a raise.)
Correct, again because in this example the UTG makes a silent overchip call and the UTG+1 makes a silent multiple-chip bet that's subject to the 50% raise threshold.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT RULE 46:
The primary message is in Section A:
verbalize your bet before putting out chips. Section C is used only if the bet is "unclear to the house". Players self-adjust prior bet chip amounts all the time, adding / changing the stack in front of them as betting proceeds around the table and it rarely causes a problem.