LIVE CASH GAME POKER RULES DISCUSSION > Live Cash Game Rules Questions
Dealer error: do we force player to pay?
Nick C:
This is an old post that I am just responding to. I understand that "verbal is binding" however, when it is immediately understood that the player misunderstood that the bet was 125 instead of 100, I would base my decision on whether "substantial action" has followed before forcing a player to put 100 in the pot and surrendering his hand, or even worse...forcing him to call when that was not his intention.
BROOKS:
Regardless of what the dealer says the bet is, if a player whose turn it is to act, says "I call", they are calling whatever the actual bet is.
Once that player said call, they are committed to calling the amount of the bet. Mucking his cards does not change anything. He owes the 125, and his hand is dead.
49: Accepted Action
Poker is a game of alert, continuous observation. It is the caller’s responsibility to determine the correct amount of an opponent’s bet before calling, regardless of what is stated by others. If a caller requests a count but receives incorrect information from a dealer or player, then pushes out that amount or declares call, the caller has accepted the full correct action and is subject to the correct wager or all-in amount. As with all situations, Rule 1 may apply at TD’s discretion. See also RP-12.
Nick C:
Brooks,
Sorry, I don't agree with you on this one. There are times when common sense should overrule an obvious mistake.
Forcing a player to pay up and surrender his hand is a little too severe.
Some day you will be making a bluff, and because of this ridiculous rule, a player who had no intention of calling your raise, will be forced to call you and beat you!
There's too much here to try to cover but some rules from the past should have been left alone!
Dave Miller:
Nick, I respectfully disagree. Without that rule, you open the game up to angle shooting.
Bottom line, know the rules, and know the action.
Nick C:
There are many other rulesets for poker.
Show me another that puts all the responsibility of an inaccurate call amount on the calling player,?
49: Accepted Action
Poker is a game of alert, continuous observation. It is the caller’s responsibility to determine the correct amount of an opponent’s bet before calling, regardless of what is stated by others. If a caller requests a count but receives incorrect information from a dealer or player, then pushes out that amount or declares call, the caller has accepted the full correct action and is subject to the correct wager or all-in amount. As with all situations, Rule 1 may apply at TD’s discretion. See also RP-12.
A calling player, given the incorrect amount from the bettor or the dealer, after asking: "How much is it to call?"
Are you really going to apply Accepted Action?
I believe you should take a closer look at the rule and pay more attention to the last two sentences.
As with all situations, Rule 1 may apply at TD’s discretion. See also RP-12.
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