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MikeB

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Reports, Comments, Video and Pictures from TDA Summit VI
« on: June 28, 2013, 10:03:16 PM »
Awesome, accurate podcast report by Scott Long of Ante-Up Magazine, who attended Summit VI Days 1 and 2:
(Summit Report starts at around 20:00):
http://pokerfuse.com/poker-podcasts/ante-up-pokercast/5492/

Here's a few of the first pictures from the 2013 Summit...

http://twitpic.com/czkjcm

https://twitter.com/GingMQuinto/status/349959926031994880/photo/1

http://pokerroom.thundervalleyresort.com/2013/06/2013-tda-summit.html

http://pokerroom.thundervalleyresort.com/2013/06/ante-up-magazine-at-tda-summit.html

Full Videos:  Catch every minute of TDA Summit VI on the following page, courtesy of video-stream genius Rob Perelman (veerob.com):

http://www.pokertda.com/the-poker-tda-summit/2013-poker-tda-summit-vi/

Media Articles, Interviews


Aug 20: Nice rules re-cap from Jeff Walsh on PokerFuse:
http://pokerfuse.com/features/in-depth/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-tda-rule-changes-20-08/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pokerfuse+%28Pokerfuse+Latest+News+Articles%29

July 19: Blog from TDA Board Member Neil Johnson: http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2013/opinion-the-case-for-and-against-the-fir-139499.html

July 16: Great article from Spanish poker site PokerDePicas.com: http://www.pokerdepicas.com/2013/07/la-tda-logra-unificar-las-normas-de.html Recognizes the great strides made at Summit VI towards unification of tournament rules globally.

July 11: Lee Davy Interviews TDA Board Member Jack Effel: http://calvinayre.com/2013/07/11/poker/jack-effel-wsop-blood-and-guts-ld-audio-interview/

July 6: "Kenny Hallaert Pro New TDA Rules", interview with poker player and TD Kenny Hallaert on new TDA Rules: http://www.pokernews.com/video/wsop-2013-kenny-hallaert-pro-new-tda-rules-8022.htm  Kenny actually attended the Summit, btw.

July 5: "New Rules for Tournament Poker" http://mypov.ca/http:/mypov.ca/rules/new-rules-for-tournament-poker-2013-preview/

July 2 (at Chet's request we will date these:): Jack Effel interviewed by CardPlayer: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/15831-world-series-of-poker-tournament-director-jack-effel-talks-about-ongoing-summer-series

Flop - Turn - River interviews Matt Savage on his impressions of TDA Summit VI, among other things poker:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/ftr-community/ama-tournament-director-matt-savage-194903.html?p=2158033#post2158033

Linda Johnson answers concerns about the rules-drafting process:
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/07/daniel-negreanu-and-linda-johnson-debate-recent-rule-changes-15856.htm

Tweets

Lee Jones (Jul 6): https://twitter.com/leehjones/status/353434513331855360

@jeanriders: Seen a bit of favoritism by dealers tonite & agree w new TDA rule "1st card off" 100%!!

@sdroads 29 Jun Just talked with @FirstLadyPoker and learned about new TDA "first card" rule. Love it! No more mad dash to table before last card hits!

@MarvPoker 29 Jun I'm in favor of the new rule re: seated for first card. Very distracting when 3 players swarm seats in mid-deal.

@SabylWSOP Agreed plus now dealers can't slow down if they look up and see Daniel running to the table or speed up if they don't like player

@RioTheKitten 28 Jun I'm with you all the way. I prefer TDA rules every time

Artur Voskanyan ‏@artpoker 28 Jun @RealKidPoker @FirstLadyPoker (Last card) player can see other players cards and take a seat till the last card has been dealt.

Mike Sexton: https://twitter.com/MikeSexton_WPT/status/351803364373303296

https://twitter.com/tonyniehaus/status/350367416091545601

https://twitter.com/GingMQuinto/status/349959926031994880

https://twitter.com/SpaceyFCB/status/349986147478413314

https://twitter.com/TristanWilberg/status/351393471006916609
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Re: Reports, Comments, Video and Pictures from TDA Summit VI
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2013, 09:34:29 AM »
One of many many examples of the organic process of rules writing at Summit VI:

The subject was TDA Rule 34 Action in Turn (from the 2011 Rules, Version 2.0), specifically "chips in turn must stay in the pot". The specific question was what guidelines might a TD use in determining whether to require the under-caller to make a full call or allow them to leave the under-call in and fold.

On Day 1, initial suggestions from Jack Effel, Matt Savage, and Dave Lamb started the discussion. All 3 suggested they would almost always rule a silent under-call (chips pushed out without a declaration) a full call when there were two players remaining in the hand. Note that in this situation the under-caller would always be responding to "the first bettor" in the round. Kathy Raymond, Poker Operations Director at the Venetian then spoke up, pointing out that she would consider an under-call to the first bet multi-way to be a full call. Sam Quinto of the Commerce LA then put both situations into one compact phrase, nothing that both are "undercalls to the opening bet of any round".

In a different situation, Tommy LaRosa, the Venetian TD suggested that one factor he uses is whether there have been two bets to the player. For example, blinds are 1000-2000, and post flop the first to act opens for 2000, the next bettor quietly declares all-in for 28,000, and an under-caller then tosses out 2000 silently. In this case, Tommy would weigh whether it was an honest mistake or whether the player should have seen the bet or worse if he thinks the undercaller is taking a shot.

Another condition that might require a full call ruling was if the under-call prompted the next player in turn to take action. One attendee raised the sticky question of how might you rule, however, if the subsequent action itself was an undercall? There was significant further debate on the topic and it was agreed by all to table the discussion until Day 2.

Overnight, a new powerpoint slide was produced with the following proposed language:

34:  Verbal Declarations / Acting in Turn / Undercalls:  Players must act in turn.  Verbal betting declarations in turn are binding. Chips placed in the pot in turn stay in the pot.

A: Multi-way or heads-up, an undercall is a call if made facing an opening bet or if action has occurred behind it;

B: Multi-way, if two or more bets precede the undercall, TD’s discretion applies.

C: Players should wait for clear bet amounts before acting. Ex: A says “raise” (but states no amount), and B and C quickly fold; B & C should wait to act until A’s exact raise amount is clear.


On the morning before the start of Day 2, several attendees huddled with Neil Johnson of the EPT to discuss this slide. Out of that pre-meeting came further suggested changes which were brought up in debate on the topic on Day 2. The full membership eventually voted in section A, but dropped the "action has occurred behind it", leaving those situations to TD judgement. Section B was changed to "All other situations, TD's discretion applies". C was left intact.

A was subsequently amended to: A: An undercall is a mandatory full call if made facing an opening bet multi-way on any betting round, or facing any bet heads up.. To more accurately indicate that undercalling any bet heads up, not just the opening bet, should be ruled a full binding call.

If it were not for the input of over 160 attendees who took the time to "sleep on the proposal" and consider it over two days, we would not have this true advancement on the undercall issue.

ADD to this a new rule "Calls", which sets forth acceptable and standard forms of calling and among other things addresses deliberate undercalling... responding to a relatively large bet with a relatively tiny silent chip (example: A checks, B pushes all-in for 50k and C tosses out a single 1000 silently)...

Huge progress was made on these and numerous other major issues because of the free-flowing organic nature of the TDA Summit. Many thanks to all who attended!
« Last Edit: July 06, 2013, 09:02:01 AM by MikeB »

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Re: Reports, Comments, Video and Pictures from TDA Summit VI
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2013, 01:41:18 PM »
Mike, which thread would be appropriate for me to provide feedback based on rules voted on at the summit?  I feel there was one rule voted on that will be highly impractical to implement, but I want to voice my concern in the proper manner.

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Re: Reports, Comments, Video and Pictures from TDA Summit VI
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2013, 04:04:18 PM »
Hi Brian:

I would say under the regular rules discussion thread here:
http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0

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Re: Reports, Comments, Video and Pictures from TDA Summit VI
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2013, 08:25:59 AM »
Hi Mike,

Small error in the opening post regarding the media articles.
I'm Kenny Hallaert but I'm still working as a TD, so I'm not a full pro player and not a veteran TD

Regards,
Kenny