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Nick C

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Re: Pot Limit Omaha: how to speed up calculations
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2016, 07:53:37 PM »
Pastor,

 Your Question is about after the flop...at that point I would use the actual pot size. However, pre-flop is a different story.

 The best way for me to explain is to treat the short blinds as though they were full legal bets. i.e. Pot Limit...Blinds 100 & 200...SB is all-in for 75 and BB is All-in for 50...UTG should be allowed to raise to 700. The normal formula is 7x SB...or...3 1/2x BB.

 I base my answer on the situation, in any game, when the UTG is facing a short BB. Unless the players are all-in, the UTG must at least call the full BB.

 Not sure if this helps but I see that you have had no reply so I thought I'd respond.

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Re: Pot Limit Omaha: how to speed up calculations
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2016, 05:45:35 AM »
Thnx,

It's clear that UTG must call first (and raise) the full BB in any game.
How much is a pot for UTG+1 in your example? 3 x 700 + 50 + 75 = 2225 correct?

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Re: Pot Limit Omaha: how to speed up calculations
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2016, 07:57:25 AM »
Pastor,

 All I can tell you is; that's the way I see it.  :)

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Re: Pot Limit Omaha: how to speed up calculations
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2017, 11:07:31 AM »
Hello folks,

Sorry if I doubled someone's post, but I could not read all the 3 pages to wait for clarify situation =)

Pot limit calculation is what Brian said.

Its like in movies :
"I call you Johnny..., and I raise to ten thousands dollars !
(Crowd) : OOOOOOOOOOOWWW

Of course today it is considered as not eligible action but by these old times, guns were allowed at the tables =)


So here we go for the table :

Blinds : 100/200 Preflop
Player A : SB - 100
Player B : BB - 200
Player C : Calls 200
Player D : Raises Pot


The traditional how-to is the following : (like in movies remember)

Player D puts the amount of the call, in this case 200, then we make the SUM of the pot so
Pot : 0 (Preflop)
A: 100
B: 200
C: 200
D: 200 (amount of call)
We get 700.
This amount is the raise, not the entire bet. So you have to add the amount of call (200) and the amount of raise (700) to a total to 900.


If we take another situation where Player A as SB raises pot, we get the following :

A : 100
B : 200
C : Calls 200
A : Raises pot

A puts the amount of the call (200) then we go to the maths
A : 200
B : 200
C : 200
and we get a 600 raise for a 800 total bet.


So we can see that prior chips do not enter in the pot calculation.


With the 3x rule, we get the same results

Case 1 : (3xC) + (A + B) -> (3x 200) + (200 +100) = 900
Case 2 : (3xC) + A -> (3x200) + 200 = 800


And I just saw that the original post was from 2012 :(

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Re: Pot Limit Omaha: how to speed up calculations
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2017, 11:21:50 AM »
To speed up calculations, you need to know your Pots Tables preflop and get used to 3x factors.
Its better for you to write your own pots tables to learn it (yes like in school)

My method was to start from 1/2 blinds and calculate a whole table pot re raise.
Then I went to next blinds.
My advice is to add non conventional blinds like 4/8, 7/14, 9/18, 13/26 and 1/3 2/5.
There a very low chance that you encounter these blinds, but it will help you to get though all the maths and find some pattern in calculations.

for example :

P1   P2   P3   P4   P5   P6   P7   P8
1   2                  
2   4                  
3   6                  
4   8                  
5   10                  
6   12                  
7   14                  
8   16                  
9   18                  
10   20                  


Have fun :D