Poll

What is the minimum that Player A can make it?

$230
1 (5.9%)
$298
14 (82.4%)
$330
1 (5.9%)
$366
1 (5.9%)

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Brian Vickers

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Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« on: June 06, 2011, 01:06:59 PM »
I knew a similar thread exists http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=263.0 and although I believe I understand the consensus of the responses matches up with my view on the matter, I thought this was an important enough topic to warrant another view (also, that poll did not include what I believe was the correct answer).

On the flop, player A bets $30, player B raises to $130, player C goes all-in for $198.  Player A asks "what's the minimum amount I can raise it to?".  

I'll allow you guys to respond first before I tell you the floorperson's call, and what I believe to be the correct amount.


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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2011, 01:42:15 PM »
I posted this in "general" and not live, because it pertains to NL in general, and should be universal between live and tournaments.  I'm 100% sure what the correct answer is, but would like to have the discussion to make sure everyone's on the same page.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2011, 02:18:57 PM »
I'll say  a $100 raise to $298 because the all-in raise was only $68.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 02:54:05 PM »
Player A Bets 30, Player B Raises to 130 total (A raise of 100) player c goes all-in with an action only 198 (a non-full raise of 68) therefore options open to player a are: Call 198, Fold, raise a minimum of 298 total (198+100)

so to sum up, ditto Nicks response.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 08:26:21 AM »
I agree with Nick and Stuart, and my ruling would have been $298 as well.  The floor and dealers that day came up with the number of $230 saying that a minimum raise would have been to complete the short all-in, which I knew to be incorrect and without basis in NL (and also incorrect even if it were Limit since the all-in was more than 50%).

TY for your responses. 

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »
Question, Now if Player C went all in for $140, when what will be Player A option.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 03:26:17 PM »
The MINIMUM raise by Player A would be $240.  The 50% rule does not apply since this is a No-Limit game.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 06:41:06 AM »
I knew a similar thread exists http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?topic=263.0 and although I believe I understand the consensus of the responses matches up with my view on the matter, I thought this was an important enough topic to warrant another view (also, that poll did not include what I believe was the correct answer).

On the flop, player A bets $30, player B raises to $130, player C goes all-in for $198.  Player A asks "what's the minimum amount I can raise it to?".  

I'll allow you guys to respond first before I tell you the floorperson's call, and what I believe to be the correct amount.


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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 09:32:49 AM »
Thomas:

What is your answer to the question posed by pdiddy729, where player C goes All-In for 140?

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 01:03:48 PM »
Thomas, that's good, we need a little humor every now and then.

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Re: Minimum Raise when facing a short all-in
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 04:19:22 AM »
Question, Now if Player C went all in for $140, when what will be Player A option.

Ditto Chet:

The MINIMUM raise by Player A would be $240.  The 50% rule does not apply since this is a No-Limit game.

And add, Player A may Call (For a total $140), Raise (For a minimum total $240) or Fold.

Incidentally, if Player A chooses to Call or Fold, then Player B does not get the option to Raise.

Hope this helps :)