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MrScott:
  At the casino i work at, we recently started using the 'dead small and dead button' rule. Now, for example. in a cash game, if a player posts his BB and goes broke on the hand and he tells the dealer 'im going to get more chips, I"ll be right back.' He misses his small blind and the button and comes back in the next hand. Question, is the small blind he posts 'live' or 'dead'?
 

chet:

--- Quote from: MrScott on December 21, 2009, 11:05:00 AM ---  At the casino i work at, we recently started using the 'dead small and dead button' rule. Now, for example. in a cash game, if a player posts his BB and goes broke on the hand and he tells the dealer 'im going to get more chips, I"ll be right back.' He misses his small blind and the button and comes back in the next hand. Question, is the small blind he posts 'live' or 'dead'?
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Mr. Scott:  Per Robert's Rules of Poker, V. 10, Chapter 2, RULES FOR USING BLINDS, sub. 10 "A player who misses any or all blinds can resume play by either posting all the blinds missed or waiting for the big blind.  If you choose to post the total amount of the blinds, an amount up to the size of the minimum opening bet is live.  The remainder is taken by the dealer to the center of the pot and is not part of your bet.  When it is your next turn to act, you have the option to raise."

My interpretation would the that the "posted" small blind is live, the player can choose to fold, call or raise when it is his/her turn to act.

Hope this helps!

pokerfish:
Sorry Chet, have to disagree. When you post a small blind only because you missed it (why else would you be posting it?) it is dead. A SB only post is always dead....
Jan

chet:
I will defer to your expertise, but I don't see how that reconciles with RRoP which I quoted in my answer.

btw:  I don't mind the disagreement, but I would sure like to understand the reasoning why  ;)

Stuart Murray:
I'd agree with Jan, I have always treated a missed sb as dead I don't understand why RRoP says that and it does not make much sense to me.  The blind is missed as sb and therefore from a previous pot, the player is posting the sb as dead to make up what he already owes the table and this should not have any influence on him playing the current hand. 

Regards Stuart

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