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Luca P.

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turn and river card shown before player's action
« on: August 19, 2010, 10:39:13 AM »
Hi everybody, Yesterday in a tournament I was directing, I had this problem:
There was a player all-in, and two more players called.
Then my dealer put the flop cards on the table.
player1 checked, and player2 (in his opinion) didn't act.
my dealer said he acted, so she put the turn card.
Again player1 checked, and player2 (in his opinion) didn't act.
my dealer then put the river card.

Then player2 woke up calling my presence because my dealer turned foruth  and fifht street without him acting.
I let the game continue because player2 was not following the game even if he put a lot of chips in the pot calling all-in, and because my dealer said he checked with his hand...

Was that correct?
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Re: turn and river card shown before player's action
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 10:55:23 AM »
turn card I'm definitely with you as the player did not draw attention to the fact he had not acted, based on this I would probably say you were right to let the board stand as it was, if the player failed to draw attention to the fact that two streets had been dealt without him acting on his hand I feel he has no-one to blame but himself - moreso I would be suspicious that the player was unhappy with the fall of the cards and was more interested in getting the board altered - angle shot / illicit conduct? perhaps.

The dealer 'raps and taps' to give final warning to players that the betting round is complete and the next street is being dealt.  I can't see from what you have described how anyone would have a legitimate claim to a prematurely exposed board card on either the turn or river.

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Luca P.

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Re: turn and river card shown before player's action
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 11:24:28 AM »
thank you that was the reason Stuart.

btw, this is a very-nice-well-done-full-of-professionals-TDs forum :)
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Re: turn and river card shown before player's action
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 03:37:19 PM »
linker split,
 I think Stuart answered your question correctly. I am a little confused as to how many players were in the hand at the end. You mention that Player 1 checked and player 2 (in his opinion) didn't act. There is no mention of Player 3? If only two players were in the hand, I would have to assume that the dealer thought that the player also checked (by a jesture, or action). If there were three players, then you could assume that the player, (for any number of reasons) was missed by the dealer. In any event, like Stuart said, a tap and burn by the dealer is plenty of time for the player to speak-up and let the players and the dealer know that he is in the hand. Changing the turn or river card, is out of the question.
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Re: turn and river card shown before player's action
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2010, 03:54:46 AM »
Nick - One player was all-in pre-fop I believe. three players in contention, with heads-up action between the two remaining players.

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Re: turn and river card shown before player's action
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 09:12:55 AM »
Stuart,

 Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It's a good lesson in what can happen when a situation is not understood, or not explained to the floor correctly. The question was well written and I should have caught that. The good news is, nothing would change. The board plays without change.