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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2013, 09:32:51 PM »
Heads-up announcement: Version 1.0 of the 2013 Poker TDA Rules, Recommended Procedures, and Illustration Addendum will be released as early as Friday August 9, 2013. By the time the web team gets all files in place that may translate to availability on Saturday or Sunday at the latest.

The rules will first be available from links on the main Poker TDA webpage at: http://www.PokerTDA.com

Further announcements will also be made here when those are published, and an e-blast will go out announcing same.
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2013, 09:16:36 PM »
The 2013 TDA Rules, Version 1.0, along with the 2013 Recommended Procedures and Illustration Addendum are now available for viewing and downloading in English here:
http://www.pokertda.com/poker-tda-rules/

One of the format options is a handout-size PDF with redlines showing changes from the 2011 Rules.

Other language translations will be posted as those become available at this link:
http://www.pokertda.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2013, 11:09:17 PM »
Thanks for putting in the time and effort to put these together.

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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2013, 02:35:54 PM »
Awesome!
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2013, 11:02:49 AM »
I created some pdf's of the 2013 TDA Rules.

The pdf's include a QR Code that can be scanned by a smart phone and point to the PokerTDA website.

I would be willing to create customized versions of these documents for your casino or poker room. The customized version would include the name of your casino or poker room at the top and/or bottom of the front page. Feel free to Contact Me to request a FREE customized version.


Full-size
2013 TDA Rules with the Illustration Addendum and Recommended Procedures
2013 TDA Recommended Procedures


Booklets
2013 TDA Rules with an index
2013 TDA Rules with the Illustration Addendum and Recommended Procedures
2013 TDA Rules Illustration Addendum

Print all the 'odd numbered' pages of the booklet on your computer printer and then feed those same pages back into your printer and print the 'even numbered' pages. Collate the pages, fold them in half, and staple them down the spine to form a booklet. This is what the booklet looks like (before it is folded in half) ...



Web Pages
An easy-to-read web page with the TDA Rules
A slimmed down version of the TDA Rules on my mobile site


Good luck, Barry
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2013, 08:57:45 PM »
Barry: Thanks alot! Anyone wanting a customized version for use at their venue should take advantage of this.

Also take advantage of the tremendous resources at http://www.HomePokerTourney.com one of the most useful poker portals out there.
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2013, 02:21:00 AM »
Hi Mike,

Assuming there is a 2.0 version to the literature, do you think it possible that you could remove all references to the words "His", "He", etc? For example:
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A player must be at his seat when the first card is dealt on the initial deal or he will have a dead hand. A player not then at his seat is dealt in, he may not look at his cards, and the hand is immediately killed after the initial deal. His blinds and antes are posted and if dealt the bring-in card in a stud-type game he will post the bring-in*. A player must be at his seat to call time. “At your seat” means within reach of your chair. This rule is not intended to condone players being out of their seats while involved in a hand. [*Note: In stud, house rules may require additional card(s) be dealt to the killed hand in certain situations.]

I realize the poker world is dominated by male participants, however if we want to attract more people to the game both male and female we need to remove this type of language that alludes to identifying players as a single gender. JMO.
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2013, 08:53:15 AM »
Hi Mike,

Assuming there is a 2.0 version to the literature, do you think it possible that you could remove all references to the words "His", "He", etc? For example:
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A player must be at his seat when the first card is dealt on the initial deal or he will have a dead hand. A player not then at his seat is dealt in, he may not look at his cards, and the hand is immediately killed after the initial deal. His blinds and antes are posted and if dealt the bring-in card in a stud-type game he will post the bring-in*. A player must be at his seat to call time. “At your seat” means within reach of your chair. This rule is not intended to condone players being out of their seats while involved in a hand. [*Note: In stud, house rules may require additional card(s) be dealt to the killed hand in certain situations.]

I realize the poker world is dominated by male participants, however if we want to attract more people to the game both male and female we need to remove this type of language that alludes to identifying players as a single gender. JMO.

Hi Thomas: Great question. The rules have been written several ways in the past. One was the consistently correct "if he or she declares raise then he or she bets 50 then he or she will have to make a full raise". While gender-accurate, making sure everytime he or she, her or him, etc. was used proved to be cumbersome. Then we switched to using male and female alternately, so one rule would reference a male player (him / he) and the next would reference a female (her / she). Personally I still like this latter approach.

Ultimately in the interest of both brevity and consistency it was all changed to male gender. From memory Linda Johnson may have recommended this. One major objective of TDA rules is to be written in as few words as possible that convey the rule. In fact a big goal for the 2015 rules will be a rule-by-rule review to see what verbiage can be condensed.

However the expectation is that when each venue writes up it's house rules, it will use both male and female references... and that's what is done in alot of house rules.

Perhaps in Version 2.0 we could add an explanatory line:
 "For brevity, pronouns herein are in male gender only (him / he). It is recommended that when incorporating TDA rules into house rules that both genders be used".

Another interesting possibility is something Nick posted some time ago about how "they" can actually reference just one person and be grammatically correct. From memory it was something like "If a player declares raise then they bet 50, they will have to make a full raise". But not sure this is a universally accepted use of the pronoun.

Anyway, open to ideas but would like to avoid having to use "he or she", "him or her" everytime.
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2013, 11:29:49 AM »
From a little Google research:

Check out this link it makes some interesting suggestions:

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/generic-singular-pronouns?page=all

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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2013, 11:48:14 AM »
Thomas,

 I understand your concerns but, when we consider the ratio of female to male in poker, the difference is very one-sided.When the gender of a person is unknown, or when the antecedent represents both male and female, I prefer (as do many other's) using third person plural forms. Such as: "Seasoned player's keep their opinions to themselves." As opposed to using he or she.

 I see no reason to go through the time and effort to change any of the TDA rules because of gender issues. Women are a big part of poker and will always belong, however, when the TDA Discussion Forum consists of over 20 to 1 male to female ratio...let's leave it the way it is.

 Hey Chet, Pretty interesting link. It appears that many are having problems dealing with the gender problem in writing. I expect that there are many issues about gender that we haven't tackled yet...I do recall one that stands out; the protests from members of the male gender, that screamed (probably like a little girl) because they (he) couldn't work at Hooters! ;D

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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2013, 06:11:40 PM »
Thomas,

 I see no reason to go through the time and effort to change any of the TDA rules because of gender issues. Women are a big part of poker and will always belong, however, when the TDA Discussion Forum consists of over 20 to 1 male to female ratio...let's leave it the way it is.


This would take all of maybe ten seconds. All you have to do is have a program find all references to the specific word and change it. Find "word" ---> Change all to "new word" --> Done. It's that simple.

Preferably I'd like to see such references changed to Player(s). Then use they and their references just like that article Chet referenced. Excellent article, because this type of thing drives me crazy even though I hate being politically correct. But in this case politically correct is best. We're trying to include, not exclude.
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2013, 06:17:58 PM »
Hi Mike,

Assuming there is a 2.0 version to the literature, do you think it possible that you could remove all references to the words "His", "He", etc? For example:
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A player must be at his seat when the first card is dealt on the initial deal or he will have a dead hand. A player not then at his seat is dealt in, he may not look at his cards, and the hand is immediately killed after the initial deal. His blinds and antes are posted and if dealt the bring-in card in a stud-type game he will post the bring-in*. A player must be at his seat to call time. “At your seat” means within reach of your chair. This rule is not intended to condone players being out of their seats while involved in a hand. [*Note: In stud, house rules may require additional card(s) be dealt to the killed hand in certain situations.]

I realize the poker world is dominated by male participants, however if we want to attract more people to the game both male and female we need to remove this type of language that alludes to identifying players as a single gender. JMO.


Anyway, open to ideas but would like to avoid having to use "he or she", "him or her" everytime.
Hi Mike,

I completely agree with that, and completely agree with the article Chet posted. I can't stand "Whiplash Grammar". When I read it I have this vision in my head "it's guy", no "it's a girl" no... what is it? Ugh.

I don't see any reason why we can't just refer to them as "players" and then use the "they" "their" "them" in instances that are necessary for brevity. This may take all of 10 seconds to change the references... maybe 30 minutes to proof read after that. That's about all it should take. If that's too much time as Nick suggested... I'll volunteer. :)
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2013, 09:02:30 PM »
Thomas,
  I made the suggestion (to get off the singular pronoun) over two years ago on this Forum. If it really bothers you that much, you should take 10 seconds and fix the singular pronoun references that you have in your own R.O.P.E. before you tackle the TDA Rules.

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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2013, 09:26:45 PM »
Thomas,
  I made the suggestion (to get off the singular pronoun) over two years ago on this Forum.

Nick: didn't you post a link awhile back to a grammar site about how "they" can refer to a single person, something like that? Or was that Chet who posted it, any idea? Chet posted one recently but I thought you did quite awhile ago or... ?
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Re: Here are the Latest TDA Rules...
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2013, 01:14:51 AM »
Thomas,
  I made the suggestion (to get off the singular pronoun) over two years ago on this Forum. If it really bothers you that much, you should take 10 seconds and fix the singular pronoun references that you have in your own R.O.P.E. before you tackle the TDA Rules.
I have single gender references on there?? Damn me! I'll be fixing that for sure!
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