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Some undercall cases

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Ash:
Some new easy situations for you guys, how would you rule them?

All are post flop situations, blinds 2k/4k

1) A open bet 20k, B throws only one 1k chip, do we consider this undersized chip as a call?
2) A open bet 20k, B throws 2 1k chips, same ruling as for 2)?
1) A open bet 20k, B throws 4k (he is all for 16k), considering the rule, would you force B to put all his chips to call?

Thank you

Boris:
Hello Ash,

In heads up situation, an undercall is a mandatory call
1. Call 20k
2. Call 20k
3. Call All-in 16k

Nick C:
I agree with Boris but I believe the same rules would apply even if there were multiple players.

Boris:
In multi ways pot, it would apply the same because B is facing the opening bet.

But if we consider a player between calling the bet, then it's different.

1. Definitely call (1 chip call is a bad habit from players)

For 2 and 3, most of the time the player did not see/understand the amount of the bet.  I would rule as the following.

2. Complete or surrender, warning
3. Complete or surrender, warning

Nick C:
Boris:
 I have always believed that as long as the next player (after the short bet) had not reacted, that the action could be corrected. However, unless the TDA rules have changed: "Action in turn is binding and commits chips to the pot that stay in the pot." There are many other rules that are too vague, in my opinion. Rules that will not allow the "short" bet to withdraw his wager. He or she may complete the bet or surrender the underbet. There are numerous debates in the archives that will support what I say. I prefer the ability to "freeze" the action and clarify the short wager before the next player acts. If the short bet was a mistake I've always supported a retraction of the short wager instead of forcing a surrender of chips, or an unintentional call. This, however was not favored by the TDA Rules.

I am currently unable to access the addendum to see if there is a better explanation. I'm just going by past discussions. They are worth looking at if you have the time.

Bottom line: I agree with you but there are many that will not.

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