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Nick C

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Going all-in while calling final betting round
« on: March 05, 2018, 11:42:04 PM »
Simple situation:

Five players remain...final betting round.

Alice bets 500
Bill folds (No pun intended)
Carl calls 500
David calls 500 all-in
Eddy folds.

Because David was all-in does the showdown rule apply for all players to table their hands?

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2018, 05:13:41 AM »
Hello Nick,

Since there is an all-in player at showdown, all live hands must be tabled. 

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 06:05:26 AM »
Simple situation:

Five players remain...final betting round.

Alice bets 500
Bill folds (No pun intended)
Carl calls 500
David calls 500 all-in
Eddy folds.

Because David was all-in does the showdown rule apply for all players to table their hands?
Yes, no further betting is possible because everyone has acted and it's the final round.

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 06:08:05 AM »
Hello Nick,

Since there is an all-in player at showdown, all live hands must be tabled.

I agree. Rule 16:

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16:  Face Up for All-Ins
All hands will be tabled without delay once a player is all-in and all betting action by all other players in the hand is complete. No player who is either all-in or has called all betting action may muck his or her hand without tabling. All hands in both the main and side pot(s)must be tabled and are live.See Illustration Addendum

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 09:47:10 AM »
Okay, I can certainly agree with that, but how many times does a player announce he or she is all-in when calling? ;D

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 10:44:38 AM »
Okay, I can certainly agree with that, but how many times does a player announce he or she is all-in when calling? ;D

I believe that that should be the dealer's responsibility to notice and announce that. Or at least announce it when all betting is completed.

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2018, 12:07:26 PM »
I agree. I'd like to see dealers take on a more meaningful role. Nothing like a well-trained dealer taking charge at the tables! :)

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 10:08:55 AM »
I agree. I'd like to see dealers take on a more meaningful role. Nothing like a well-trained dealer taking charge at the tables! :)

Hire dealers who know how to count. This should do the trick :D

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 10:46:44 AM »
Hi Boris,

 Yes but the TDA does not ask dealers to count every bet. Like the song says: "There'll be time enough for counting when the dealings done"! Unfortunately, you might be asking too much for some dealers. Now, the dealers I trained...well that's a different story! ;)

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Re: Going all-in while calling final betting round
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2018, 05:58:24 PM »
Nick,

I see what you mean.
TDA does not recommend to bring chips to count but dealers can do visual count.