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Rule #22 - New Hand & Rule #40 - Action Out Of Turn (OOT)

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Nick C:
Mike,

 Thanks for your reply. I would respectfully disagree. A misdeal would override all bets. I actually believe it would be easier to hold the "blind bettors" to the same action on the redeal. I don't understand how the blind action especially in turn, can be ignored. What about the players that fold, or are induced to fold by a bet in front of them?  I just don't like the idea of allowing these characters the chance to withdraw their deliberate action. We need to think this one out a little more. Whats wrong with allowing the action to continue and the "skipped" player can only fold or call? That's the way it used to be, at least that's the way we used to handle that situation.

 What constitutes a "blind bet"? Not much different than a straddle, is it? If I don't look at my cards, and act on my hand, in turn...is that a blind bet? Or will we come up with a rule that will not allow any action at all, until the last card is dealt to the button?

 To answer another important question. When a player is skipped, the way it was described in the original post, without betting blind...do we continue as I suggested, or do you back up the bet to the proper bettor?

MikeB:
I'm not allowing the blind bettors to withdraw their action, just not counting it as substantial action

Nick C:
Okay, Mike. Now it seems as if we're looking to expand the "substantial action" rule. Substantial action can only be recognized after the last card is dealt on the initial deal?

I know it's nothing new but, I don't like it.

I'm going back to my original question...When Adam is skipped and Billy Bob and Carly bet out of turn...is the action backed up to Adam? Or does the action proceed, and return to Adam allowing him two options: Fold or call?

MikeB:

--- Quote from: Nick C on July 02, 2017, 06:32:21 AM ---Okay, Mike. Now it seems as if we're looking to expand the "substantial action" rule. Substantial action can only be recognized after the last card is dealt on the initial deal?
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Think of it... if you recognize SA even before the last card is dealt, then you lock someone who was dealt the wrong number of cards into a dead hand... once SA occurs you can't have a misdeal... so of course we would only want to recognize SA after the last card is pitched AND after SA has occurred after that pitch. This is so basic to poker I'm surprised it has to be explained.


--- Quote from: Nick C on July 02, 2017, 06:32:21 AM ---
I'm going back to my original question...When Adam is skipped and Billy Bob and Carly bet out of turn...is the action backed up to Adam? Or does the action proceed, and return to Adam allowing him two options: Fold or call?

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Rather than answering that directly, I'll refer you to the rule that covers the issue... 2015 Rule 40 A, for one OOT action, and Rule B for multiples. Also I would suggest you read the Illustration Addendum on Rule 40-B

Nick C:
Okay Mike I'll take a look at it soon...thanks.

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