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BillM16

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Recommendation of changes to Illustrations for Rule 15
« on: June 16, 2017, 11:35:40 AM »
Rule 15: Face Up for All-Ins.

“All cards will be tabled without delay once a player is all-in and all betting action by all other players in the hand is complete”.

This rule means that all hole cards of all players will be turned up at once when at least one player is all-in and there is no chance of further betting action by the other player(s). Do not wait for the showdown to turn the cards up; do not wait for side pots to be divided before turning up the all-in who is only in for the main pot; if betting action is finalized on any street prior to the showdown, turn the cards up at that point and then run out the remaining cards.

Example 1.  Players Alice and Bobby remain. On the turn, Alice pushes all-in and is called by Bobby. Turn Alice’s and Bobby’s hole cards face up at this point. Then burn and turn the river and proceed to showdown.

Example 2.  Players Alice, Bobby, and Charlie remain.
Pre-flop, Alice pushes all-in and is called by Bobby and Charlie. Bobby and Charlie still have chips, so do not turn their hole cards up yet as further betting is possible.
 
On the flop Bobby and Charlie check.  Betting is still possible so don’t turn their hole cards up yet.

On the turn Bobby pushes all-in and Charlie calls. Further betting is not possible, so turn all three hands face up.  Burn and turn the river then proceed to showdown. First, award the side pot between Bobby and Charlie.  Second, award the main pot between the three players. Notice, you do not keep Alice’s cards face down until the side pot between Bobby and Charlie is awarded.

Example 3.   Players Alice, Bobby, and Charlie remain.
Pre-flop, Alice pushes all-in and is called by both Bobby and Charlie. Do not turn up the hole cards as both Bobby and Charlie still have chips and further betting action is possible.

On the flop Bobby and Charlie check. Betting is still possible, so don’t turn the cards up yet.

On the turn Bobby bets and Charlie calls. Since both still have chips and the river remains to be dealt, betting is still possible, so don’t turn the cards up yet.

On the river both Bobby and Charlie both check. At this time, turn Alice’s, Bobby’s, and Charlie’s hands face up because all betting is over. First, award the side pot between Bobby and Charlie.  Second, award the main pot between the three players. Notice, do not keep Alice’s cards face down until the side pot between Bobby and Charlie has been awarded.

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Re: Recommendation of changes to Illustrations for Rule 15
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 11:09:28 AM »
Bill,

 This is one of the differences between Robert's Rules and the TDA. For the life of me, I have no idea why the TDA changed it. WHY???

Tabling cards with two players in an all-in situation is fine, but once more than one pot exists, the only cards tabled should be from those players who's chips are contesting the side pot being decided. The all-in player with the least amount of chips invested will contest the Main pot and should be exposed at that time. Forcing all players to turn their cards can only cause confusion.

 There are many others but this has always been one of the most puzzling of all TDA rules.