Author Topic: Playing from a "chip rack"  (Read 605 times)

Nick C

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Playing from a "chip rack"
« on: April 19, 2017, 01:49:52 PM »
Why is playing from a chip rack no longer allowed? When was this rule originally enforced?
I remember playing from a chip rack in cash games whenever I played in Las Vegas. I'm going back a while but just curious.

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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 02:14:20 PM »
That is a good question, I can only think that it is due to space limitations?  I can't see that it is for security purposes.  Maybe if you have multiple racks then it is harder for the other player to see how much you really have?
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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 02:48:58 PM »
Thanks Max, I agree those are valid points, just never heard from anyone that had mentioned the origin. There must be someone out there that knows. Someone that was present when the rule was first introduced. I remember calling for a couple racks when I was going to quit a game. While I was stacking my chips into the rack, the dealer dealt me in...I decided to play that hand. You would have thought I was about to rob the players at gunpoint! There were players that insisted I not play from my rack, so I folded and went home.

 I could understand if cash on the table played, it would be too easy to slip a few bills under the rack...other than that, not sure why it's not allowed.

 There must have been a very serious incident that occurred because you can't play from a rack anywhere.

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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 03:29:07 PM »
My local casino, Sands Bethlehem PA, allows it if you're leaving in a couple hands.

However they insist you keep one stack on the table as a 'working stack'. The reason they say is it's easier / quicker.

I've also taken a rack to the craps table. They let me make my bets but if I'm not moving the rest to the rail by the next roll they ask me to do so. I never bothered to ask why.

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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 09:09:34 PM »
My understanding is because nothing should be on the table that could possibly conceal/cover cards. Any card protectors we allow must not be large enough that they can conceal a card. We also have cash play on the table, and racks could be concealing bills.
When manual shuffling, the dealer counts down the stub every so often (if at all),  which means for several hands you could be playing with a short deck because there is a card hidden under this rack. Or he's holding a card there temporarily to switch it with later.

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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 06:46:53 AM »
Brooks,

 I agree and that makes sense. I guess I'm looking for a "story" about an incident that prompted such a rule. It's as if it appeared mysteriously overnight. Suddenly you were not allowed to play from your rack. I'll bet Daniel or Phil has the answer.

 I always thought it was about hiding cash under the rack, but what you said about possibly concealing cards is probably what happened. Thanks to Brooks, Dave and Max for your response.

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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 02:09:13 PM »
... . Any card protectors we allow must not be large enough that they can conceal a card. ...
Funny you said that, last year at the World Series they were selling card covers that are the exact size of your card (in metal), so they actually cover the entire cards,and I remember looking at a player next to me who was using it, and it was really hard to know if she had cards or not, unless you were next to her.  Dealer or player never said anything.
But I have also seen the rule you are referring to being enforced in some casinos
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Re: Playing from a "chip rack"
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2017, 06:09:29 PM »
Okay...I'm looking for the "name player" that got his feathers ruffled because someone was playing from his rack and he didn't like it.

 A card ornament as large as a card? I don't think so. In fact, in my game you can't put a bottle of water on the table! ;D Nothing on my table except chips, cash and a small chip ornament that has no resemblance to the chips in play.

 Were you ever in a game where a player dumps a hot coffee, (double double) all over your table? Sticky cards, sticky chips and the game had to be moved to another table! ::) It's a nightmare! >:(