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gabesz

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raise or call??
« on: April 08, 2010, 05:48:37 AM »
Hi there,

my first question:

blinds:100/200 utg raise to 500 utg+1 call button reraise to 4000 then sb calls, bb re-reraise to 13000 then utg all in for 17000.....what the button can do?? call??or raise??if he can re-raise how much would be the min raise and why??

thank you for your help

have a nice one

Stuart Murray

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Re: raise or call??
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 07:30:38 AM »
gabesz,

First off given the information you have given I would make the presumtion that it is an NLHE game

31.   Raises  A raise must be at least the size of the largest previous bet or raise of the current betting round.  

All the raises you specify meet this criteria excluding the all-in from utg for 17,000

lets break it down:

100/200 - the minimum raise would be 200 to 400 total
utg raise to 500 (a raise of 300 more)
button raise (min total 800 (200+300+300)) to 4000 (3,500 more)
bb raise (min total 7,500 (500+3,500+3,500)) to 13,000 (9,000 more)
utg re-raise (min total 22,000 (4,000+9,000+9,000)) all-in for 17,000 (4,000 more)

action back to button 13,000 to call, the action he is facing has re-opened the betting to him by both the BB raise and the UTG shove as the bet he is facing is at least the size of his raise, action is open to him again to do what he wants.

IF button calls 17,000 BB can only call 4,000 extra or fold as the UTG shove is not enough to open the betting to him as it is not the size of his raise.

IF Button wants to re-raise again it would have to be at least the size of the biggest previous raise + the total bet i.e.

Button minimum raise would be 17,000 (total bet) +9,000 (min raise again) = 26,000 (total), if the button raised to this amount that would re-open the betting to the BB.

Hope this helps
Stuart
« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 07:43:25 AM by stuamurr »
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gabesz

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Re: raise or call??
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 08:34:41 AM »
thx for a quick answer..
what about if the house rules apply as double the last bet as a standard raise???
34000 is correct???

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Re: raise or call??
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 09:00:31 AM »
hi no problem,

erm, double the previous bet is a big ambiguous.  Does not really clearly define the raise criteria.

If the house rule is double the previous TOTAL bet then yes 34,000 would apply

double the previous bet could really mean either the raise portion or the total bet so I do not wish to clarify the implementation of that wording, as a bet is the first amount staked in a betting round, being pre-flop the only 'bet' (used as a singular word) that exists is the forced bet of the big bllind, the rest are all raises and re-raises.

IMO The size of the previous bet would still mean the same as the TDA rule 31, but that is no way a certainty to apply to the wording you have supplied.

Best Regards
Stuart
« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 09:01:41 AM by stuamurr »
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Re: raise or call??
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 08:31:53 PM »
thanks again!!

the last standard rasie is 13000, then 17000 all in is an under raise...so basically 17000 is not a raise,so next person can raise up to 26000?

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Re: raise or call??
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 10:04:02 AM »
Hi,

sorry i missed your reply.

Exactly under TDA rules the button could re-raise to 26,000 total.  'Under Raise' will suffice to describe the all-in, I prefer 'action only' (not action changing)

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Stuart
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