Author Topic: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule  (Read 6145 times)

Brian Vickers

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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2015, 12:27:30 PM »
Hi guys,

This nuts rule doesn t exit anymore in TDA ?

I'm right ?

If you look back through every version of the TDA rules you will find that this rule never existed. 

The idea that it was automatically a softplay penalty came about mostly from a TV broadcast of the WSOP where a floorperson ruled that it was soft play.  Unfortunately it spread like wildfire and I see in tournaments everywhere players getting automatic full round (which in some cases is a devastating penalty) for checking the nuts.  The TDA has taken the stance that possibilities of softplay must be evaluated on a case by case basis and it was just as if not more likely that the player simply misread the strength of their hand as it was that they intended to "take it easy" on someone else.

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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 10:51:15 AM »
I'm with Mike, Max, Dave and Brian on this one.

I'm against any rule that forces a player to play their hand a specific way.

With regards to the "checking the nuts" portion of this thread, I believe that giving a penalty for "checking the nuts" was an antiquated rule that most of us do not give a penalty for anymore.

In my experience, 95% of the time it was a player that didn't realize they had the nuts.  About the only time I will issue a penalty nowadays is if the player somehow conveys to me that the reason they didn't bet was because their buddy was in the hand.
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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2016, 12:11:30 PM »
Thanks for reviving this thread. It caused me to re-read it. I think I need to quote some of Nick's comments into a different thread....




A big stack on BB when everybody has folded isn't allowed to fold when a shortstack player is all-in with 2.5BB or less.
A big stack on SB with a 2.5BB or less on BB have to go all-in.
While it looks like this idea has been killed, and I agree it's a bad rule, I'm curious to know what the definition of a 'big stack' is.
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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2016, 09:37:59 AM »
Thanks Dave,

 I usually don't change my stance on how I feel about specific rulings. Other members of the TDA will confirm that I'm sure! ;D It's pretty hard to get me off an old rule that I believe in and have used for about 50 years! :D

Terence Bertault

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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 11:42:54 PM »
Hi guys,

A big stack is a stack bigger than the tournament average and compared to others stacks of players ...

We are talking about calling 1BB ...

I repeat that this rule was used at Playground in Montreal during a WPT ... for 3BB ... between a young french and a canadian ... they don't know each other ... but It was a two round penalty for the french ...

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Re: Auto All-in & Auto Call Rule
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 07:01:21 AM »
Hi Terence,

I just read your message, a little bit too late.

I'm pretty sure you're friend received a Penalty for something else then that.

I'm the Tournament Director at Playground Poker Club for the WPT Montreal and I never gave a penalty for that. You can't force any players to put chips in a pot
if he doesn't want.

The problem is it's REALLY hard to prove for Collusion or Chip Dumping. With all the players swapping this day, it could happened more often and we can't prove nothing, so it's making our job way tougher to protect the integrity of the game.

An once again, you friend probably didn't tell you all the story...

Thanks