Dealing cards to preflop all in

[Golferdude]

I play in poker leagues. Had this situation come up a NLHE game. Player A went all in and had one caller. Both players tabled their hands and waited for the dealer to show the cards. The dealer dealt the first burn card down and the next 3 down also, next burn down, next live card down, next burn down, next live card down then proceeded to turn all 5 live cards up. He did this quickly. Player A and the caller tried to tell him to deal it like normal but he proceeded to do it anyway. Dealer said he could do it any way he wanted. I have not seen this before. My ruling was to deal the cards like they would normally be dealt.

My question is this. Is  there a rule about how to deal cards in this situation? Hope I explained this enough.

[chet]

There is no TDA rule for this situation as it is covered in Robert's Rules of Poker aka RROP.

If you don't have one, I suggest you look on line.  You can get a copy easily.

[Nick C]

Hello Chet and golpherdude,

 I don't think you'll find what you're looking for in Robert's Rules. I don't believe it covers too much as far as dealer procedures.

 I would never allow the method you described because it is pointless to alter the proper, normal procedure. Burn and turn...that's it.

[Golferdude]

Thanks for your input. Thats the way is see it. Deal them with a normal burn and turn.

[Unregistered84]

In my opinion, normal dealing and burning are in order, but in some particularly cases (only cahsgame hands, and if both players ask for this procedure for the fun of the game) I would allow it. In your case I think is a serious error of the dealer if he thinks he can decide on his own mind something like this.

[WSOPMcGee]

Just curious if the Poker League is:

A) In a Bar setting

or

B) In a Casino setting

or

C) In a Home setting

Makes a difference to me how I feel about it.

In a Bar setting, the dealer is right. He can do whatever the he wants (within reason). It's a Bar.

In a Casino setting, the dealer is absolutely 100% undeniably WRONG! It's a Casino.

In a House setting, the dealer is 50/50. Is he getting paid? Are you paying juice? These are unknown variables and would influence my answer.

[Nick C]

Thomas,

 Really? I mean you really believe it makes a difference? That's probably why you have so many uneducated players...they learned in a tavern or some other venue that has little control over the integrity of the game, or it's patrons.

 In the first place, flopping all 5 cards simultaneously generates a board that is, well..."ass backwards!" Assuming the cards were taken off the deck one at a time, and the dealer spread them from left to right. The cards would read incorrectly. In other words, the first card off, would be the card on the far right.

 Take a normal flop and arrange the cards so an ace is the first card, followed by a deuce and then a three...now pick the cards up and spread the flop in the normal procedure, (from left to right). Note that the cards will display 3, 2, Ace left to right. The point is; when I look at the 5 community cards, I'd like to know which cards were the flop, turn and river.

 One note: If you happen to be left handed, and flop the cards from right to left, the board will be correctly displayed.

[WSOPMcGee]

Thomas,

 Really? I mean you really believe it makes a difference? That's probably why you have so many uneducated players...they learned in a tavern or some other venue that has little control over the integrity of the game, or it's patrons.

Yes I do think it makes a difference. If you want quality service from qualified individuals you should expect to pay. Many Bar leagues employ their own patrons to deal the cards. That in itself says, "Low quality". Other "Poker Leagues", not necessarily this one, pay students straight out of school or pay persons trying to learn on the job. That doesn't really say "Quality" either.

I can't tell you how many Bar Leagues I've played in for fun and have something happen and had a less than desirable ruling imposed. I can't ever say it's the wrong ruling, because that's their house and their house rules. I'm playing by their rules. I never offer up any alternative solutions either because I'm the patron. I'm there to have fun. Unless of course the person in charge says, "At the WSOP they do.... INSERT RULING GIVEN HERE....." and then sometimes I have to put in my two cents.

Other than that, all I want is consistent rules that are rules of that particular bar league. Same as: 1)  These are WSOP rules, 2) These are TDA rules, 3) These are PokerStars rules, 4) These are WPT rules, 5) These are whatever house rules I'm playing at.

[Tristan]

In the first place, flopping all 5 cards simultaneously generates a board that is, well..."ass backwards!" Assuming the cards were taken off the deck one at a time, and the dealer spread them from right to left. The cards would read incorrectly from left to right. In other words, the first card off, would be the card on the far right.

 Take a normal flop and arrange the cards so an ace is the first card, followed by a deuce and then a three...now pick the cards up and spread the flop in the normal procedure, (from left to right). Note that the cards will display 3, 2, Ace left to right.

The point is; when I look at the 5 community cards, I'd like to know which cards were the flop, turn and river.

Whichever way it comes out, you don't have any worries Nick.  You know which are which!

[Nick C]

I'll tell you what I'd like to see...one set of rules for every poker player in the world. How about R.O.P.E. 

[Brian Vickers]

I play in poker leagues. Had this situation come up a NLHE game. Player A went all in and had one caller. Both players tabled their hands and waited for the dealer to show the cards. The dealer dealt the first burn card down and the next 3 down also, next burn down, next live card down, next burn down, next live card down then proceeded to turn all 5 live cards up. He did this quickly. Player A and the caller tried to tell him to deal it like normal but he proceeded to do it anyway. Dealer said he could do it any way he wanted. I have not seen this before. My ruling was to deal the cards like they would normally be dealt.

My question is this. Is  there a rule about how to deal cards in this situation? Hope I explained this enough.

If you are in a place where you are "making a ruling" it sounds as though you are in a tournament director role. Even if this is a Tavern League and even if it's a player dealt game, the dealers should be listening to what you have to say as the director of the event.  If it's a game with a designated dealer that you are in charge of, I would not use that dealer again if he refuses to do as you say (within reason).

Having said that...   I used to play in games with friends at home where we would do stuff like this when a player was all in.  We might also reveal one card at a time, or maybe the dealer would look at all 5 himself then put out the cards in the order in which it would create the most drama or biggest sweat. 

That was a fun environment among friends though and no one objected.  In your case it sounds like there were objections aplenty.

[Nick C]

Brian,

 Your last post takes me back to a game we used to play, (about 50 years ago ) It was a stud game called: Roll-Your-Own...that's right, after receiving your initial three down cards, you could turn any card over as your door card! The betting rounds remained the same, but on every "street" you were dealt a down card and "rolled" again. The end result was the same as regular 7-Card Stud (three down and four up) but the strategy required brought a new wrinkle to a game that was otherwise, quite boring...especially when we played Hi-Lo Split. I actually think if Stud were played like that today, it would have more popularity than it does now.

Roll Your Own...try it, you'll like it.