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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Too many burned cards mistake

« Last post by Nick C on July 09, 2023, 07:10:31 AM »

Good to hear back from you, Sammyy90

Thanks for explaining the 50/50

I guess your sophisticated cameras would help.

Dealing in Vegas in the early 80's...we did not use cameras in our poker rooms. I'm sure there was surveillance, but I never looked at a video to make a floor decision.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: How to calculate PLO raise from straddle

« Last post by Boris on July 08, 2023, 12:42:33 AM »

Hello MisterD,
Initial bet is never took under consideration when it comes to calculate the max raise in Pot Limit.
So, in your case, the max raise amount allowed is 140.
3 times last highest bet added to everything else
So 3x20 (last highest bet) + 4x20 (other bets)

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Exposed cards and straddles

« Last post by Boris on July 08, 2023, 12:35:34 AM »

Hello folks,

In case of a card flying out of the table during dealing phase, I'd rather consider 2 options:
1. Both suit and rank are known before getting out of dealer's sight : misdeal
2. Suit, rank or both are unknown before getting out of sight : misdeal and change the deck.

An unknown card getting out of the table can be maliciously replaced by a player who is picking it from the floor.
If any game material is getting out of sight of the dealer, this should always be a supervisor call.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Too many burned cards mistake

« Last post by Sammyy90 on July 03, 2023, 09:10:53 AM »

Sammyy90

I am curious as to how you feel about suspending further betting? I am not familiar with your 50/50 mention...can you explain?

Due to the river not being protected anymore, I would suspend betting and present the next card without burnt any cards. That way we stay close to the correct board.
This is sadly very inflicting to the game and I dont like it, but we have our hands tied here.
I would like to inflict the hand as little as possible and if possible when the decision is being made the floor should check the next card for any indications that it could be marked or shown in any way. In a cash game table I would most likely let the betting continue after good observation, in a tournament I would suspend the betting without question.

About the 50/50 I mean the choice of picking one of the two last burnt cards at random. You have a 50% chance to be wrong or right if you decide to take the tabled card out of the game (one of the 2 last burnt cards is the correct card that should be the turn). And if you do this you accept the fact that the table has gotten more information (the tabled wrong card) than neccesary, choosing one of the 2 burnt cards will give even more information to the hand instead of playing out the first played card. And you still have a 50% chance of being wrong.
As I mentioned previously my casino has  top quality cameras, so for me the decision would be to always bring the correct board forward. In this case WITH an extra shown card due to a mistake.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Too many burned cards mistake

« Last post by Nick C on July 01, 2023, 10:14:25 AM »

Sammyy90

I am curious as to how you feel about suspending further betting? I am not familiar with your 50/50 mention...can you explain?

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Clarification of silent UTG raise before the deal

« Last post by Nick C on July 01, 2023, 10:08:20 AM »

Nice to hear from Sammyy90 and Seixas on this one.

I really like the direction we are going in. I have always taught dealers to take an active part in the betting...

Clarification can be easily sorted out by a good dealer.

There are far too many critical errors made in tournament poker that result in unintended losses, and sometimes a windfall of chips to an undeserving player.

Players: Make your intentions clear!

Dealers: Correct an unclear action as soon as it occurs!

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Clarification of silent UTG raise before the deal

« Last post by Sammyy90 on June 28, 2023, 11:10:41 AM »

In our casino we very often have players agreeing to do a 100 lap on our cashgame tables.
I EXTREMELY RARELY see this happen in tournaments (we have tournaments 5 out of 7 days a week), however if it would happen the dealer should always be aware before the player looks at their cards.
If the dealer has no information whatsoever I might end up making it a call unless the entire table says something like "nono please we are doing a 100 lap", then of course I would let them keep the atmosphere. This is for cashgame only of course.
I also want to point out that the dealer can be made aware when they all agree about the 100 lap and this is a bit scetchy, if a player looks at their hand before the 100 is placed the rules are just too obvious to be put aside, usually the "aware" dealers ask beforehand if the player is tagging along for the lap before they start giving them cards. So basically the chip needs to be placed in time.

However in a tournament I would be a lot more strict because the integrity is being risked here, so most likely a call even if the table goes against me (not 100% here but its a decision made on the fly depending on many variables at the given time). But ive yet to see an entire table playing a 100 lap in a tournament, usually its a single player here and there wanting to "bump up the action".
If its completely silent I will always take it as a call.

The information needs to come from either side out of these 2 situations:
1 - The dealer asks before hand is dealt what the 100 should indicate.
2 - The player informs the dealer what the intention is before the hand is dealt.

If the player at any time has seen the cards before the chip is in place, I will always stay with the normal procedure.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Too many burned cards mistake

« Last post by Sammyy90 on June 28, 2023, 10:42:48 AM »

In my casino we have cameras that can back up our decision when situations like this occur, they have enough high resolution to see a hair on the table.
So to determine which card would be the real next burn card wouldn't be too difficult.

However in my oppinion there is only 2 ways this could have been done:
1 - The dealer took down 2 burn cards at the same time instead of 1.
2 - The dealer burnt cards 2 times.
Both of the situations will present you with a "new" shown card.

Since these 2 situations completely changes what the "real" card would be I would assume its best to play out the card has been tabled. If you decide to go on a 50/50 then you are just giving more information to the table than needed (the tabled card is shown but wont play).

We always aim to have the correct board as strict as possible.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Exposed cards and straddles

« Last post by Nick C on June 21, 2023, 11:13:25 AM »

I have to admit I was wrong on the straddle. The straddler (?) will have the last raise option on the initial round.
I looked back at earlier posts on this subject. The biggest issue I found was the difference in straddle amounts in limit vs pot limit and no limit.

Hopefully, we will never have to deal with straddles in tournaments!

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Non-TDA Tournament and General Poker Rules Discussion / Re: bet and did not see an online

« Last post by Nick C on June 21, 2023, 10:43:27 AM »

Brooks,

I would agree with you except, I was under the impression this is an online situation and not live.