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General discussion of poker industry topics / Re: 2024 Summit

« Last post by BROOKS on January 07, 2024, 10:07:50 PM »

Hey Dave, sorry bout the late response, haven't checked in on this place in a while.
It's usually right around Independence Day - first week of July.
I've been to the last 3, and they were all during that long weekend.
That doesn't mean it always will happen then, but since at least 2017, that's when it was.
Most likely at the Aria, either in a convention space inside Aria, or at the PokerGo studio which is connected to the Aria building.

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2022 TDA Rules Translations / 2022 TDA Rules German translation

« Last post by N4m3l3ss on December 08, 2023, 01:18:38 AM »

Hi there!

The following is a link to the 2022 Poker TDA Rules translated to German.

https://lpvnrw.de/tdarules.php

This translation is courtesy of the Landespokerverband NRW e.V.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Dealer error: do we force player to pay?

« Last post by Dave Miller on December 03, 2023, 07:39:39 AM »

You originally made it sound like a home game amongst friends. Now it sounds like underground/illegal game. In that case, yes, the money stays in. Know the rules.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Dealer error: do we force player to pay?

« Last post by MisterD on December 02, 2023, 08:13:50 PM »

@Dave Miller:

I edited my original post to correct my error.

Can I interpret your comment to mean that, in the case I described (where the player says he misheard the bet amount and no further action has yet occurred), you would force him to put $100 in the pot?

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Dealer error: do we force player to pay?

« Last post by MisterD on December 02, 2023, 08:10:44 PM »

Thanks for answering. I made a mistake in my summary of the action. The bet was $125 and was announced as $125.

Player B called only $100 (a single red stack) and, when I asked him about it afterwards, he explained that the extra $25 was "hidden behind the larger stack" when Player A bet. The dealer had counted out the full $125, but the extra five nickels were, in fact, placed behind the larger stack of $100. When Player B called only $100, the dealer corrected him (before any further action) and the player pulled his bet back and folded... and the dealer immediately mucked the hand.

So, here's the essence of the question: the player misheard the bet amount and called a smaller amount than was actually bet. The dealer corrected his misunderstanding and allowed the player to fold his hand and keep his money.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Re: Dealer error: do we force player to pay?

« Last post by Dave Miller on December 02, 2023, 07:16:47 AM »

Twice you said “$100”. Other times you said “100” or “125”.

If you meant $100 cash chips, then I would have insisted it stay in the pot. After all, if you’re playing at those nose-bleed levels, you should be paying attention and know the rules. And at those levels, even a friendly private game should be playing by casino / Robert’s / TDA rules.

I’m pretty sure you meant 100 tournament chips. As such I would have handled it exactly as you did for a variety of reasons. Notably, keep it friendly, and you’ve made similar rulings in the past.

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Live Cash Game Rules Questions / Dealer error: do we force player to pay?

« Last post by MisterD on December 01, 2023, 12:01:59 PM »

Interesting issue at a private game last night.

• Player A bets 100 on the flop.(Edited to add: this is a typo. The bet amount was 125. This error led to some confusion in the first response, below.)
• Dealer announces the bet as 125.
• Action folds around to Player B, who says "I call," and pushes out 100.
• Dealer corrects Player B, telling him the bet is 125. Player B says, "Oh, I thought it was only 100. I fold," and pulls back his chips and pushes out his cards.
• Dealer mucks Player B's hand.

Action then folded back to Player A who insisted that the $100 should go into the pot. I was asked for a ruling.

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On the one hand, I understand that, technically, the $100 belongs in the pot: there was forward motion and the chips crossed a clearly delineated betting line.

On the other hand, we are a private game and I honestly believe Player A: there was no angle-shot here; he honestly mis-heard the bet amount. I think it odd that he would call 100 and not 125, but that's his business. We generally have allowed players to withdraw bets under these circumstances, especially when no significant action has occurred behind them (which had not in this case).

Additionally, Player B's cards were mucked and not identifiable. If they were identifiable, I would have offered him the chance to pay the full bet amount and play his cards. Under the circumstances, forcing him to pay the $100 seemed only punitive, which I generally try to avoid.

Thoughts?

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 4 burn cards again!

« Last post by Guillaume Gleize on November 29, 2023, 05:57:06 PM »

Wow. Self dealt or not, I can’t imagine a 4 card flop with action and nobody saying to call the floor or whatever.

FYI. Proper procedure would be to return post flop bets, then handle it like any other 4 card flop - Rule 39. And if anyone complains, they should have spoke up when they saw a 4 card flop. I mean, the entire table couldn’t be that inexperienced. Could they?

Yes they can! Winamax invest millions of euros each year for those HUGE COMMERCIAL tournaments around France to attract new players! So you open an account and you can qualify FOR FREE online first then second step live (which I manage) then final in casino with millions to win (for sure you can directly go to the final if you pay)! So some players never ever played live sessions before and some only played a few time online! So believe me: The TDA (which I love & support) don't always propose us solutions and we have to invent many rulings "in the best interest of the game".

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 4 burn cards again!

« Last post by Dave Miller on November 29, 2023, 03:35:20 PM »

Wow. Self dealt or not, I can’t imagine a 4 card flop with action and nobody saying to call the floor or whatever.

FYI. Proper procedure would be to return post flop bets, then handle it like any other 4 card flop - Rule 39. And if anyone complains, they should have spoke up when they saw a 4 card flop. I mean, the entire table couldn’t be that inexperienced. Could they?

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 4 burn cards again!

« Last post by Guillaume Gleize on November 29, 2023, 06:46:12 AM »

To be said > My cases may seem strange but I manage with WINAMAX in France some huge SELF-DEALING tournaments up to 2500 PLAYERS in one single room while still qualifying for big finals with prize pools guaranteed at a minimum of ONE MILLION EUROS! So my rulings are numerous and looking like amateurs errors (which is normal) but the stakes remain enormous!

For example recently : A flop with 4 cards and still substantial action behind ... !?! ... Here I also stopped the hand and split the pot between the remaining players because I could'nt imagine a hand with only 2 streets! When you manage some self-dealing tournaments, you need imagination because the TDA rules are far from being enough LOOOL!