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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Nick C on September 19, 2018, 07:09:56 PM »
Thanks, Bill...funny how that happened ???
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by BillM16 on September 18, 2018, 06:33:27 PM »
I actually replied to this yesterday and for some reason, it's missing.
Hey Nick,

You're not losing your mind ... see:
Heiko0912,

 Wow...that's a bad situation. I understand your reasoning but I believe the pot should have been awarded to the best hand. The dealer had no right to expose the discarded hand, however as long as both players were in for all bets and the discarded hand was identified with certainty I would have to disagree with your decision.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Nick C on September 16, 2018, 06:26:57 PM »
I actually replied to this yesterday and for some reason, it's missing. I agree with Boris: "Considering Player B's hand has not been killed (cards have been identified) and have been faced up (no matter how), the hand should be live."

 The dealer needs to be schooled on this one.

 I would not consider the dealer as a player in the mentioned "one player to a hand."

Bottom line: Player B should have been awarded the pot.
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Official Poker TDA Tournament Rules, Latest Version / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Nick C on September 15, 2018, 08:00:51 PM »
Heiko0912,

 Wow...that's a bad situation. I understand your reasoning but I believe the pot should have been awarded to the best hand. The dealer had no right to expose the discarded hand, however as long as both players were in for all bets and the discarded hand was identified with certainty I would have to disagree with your decision.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Heiko0912 on September 14, 2018, 06:48:02 PM »
No other ideas for ruling this case???
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A new name will be needed for this single pot contribution. The definition of ante everywhere you look is an equal amount put in the pot by all players. A consolidated ante is an oxymoron. It is a different animal and causes strategy changes in the game. A button "ante" changes it the least and has the least impact on any one player or position. No one complains about when there is no small blind. Choosing the big blind to "ante" is simply a way to force short stacks to be at risk sooner.

Perhaps a consolidated "ante" is a short lived transition. Antes were the primary user of 25 value chips. With consolidated "ante" only the first couple of blind levels use them. Save time? Why do we need 25 value chips at all - messy to count, messy to play with, messy to make change, and have to be bought up after a couple levels.  Start with a couple more thousand in chips, start blinds at 100-200 instead of 50-100, (25-50?), and get rid of any kind of ante entirely and let the blinds drive the tournament. Cleaner, more efficient, faster, less confusing.
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Consolidated ante is an admission of failure to educate the players to be carreful about the game. If all the players at the table are focused, there is no problem with running ante.

But the fact is, consolidate ante really speeds up the game, does not bother players who are just waiting their cards to be dealt and dealers really appreciate to have only 1 player to ask (if needed) and only 1 movement to do to retrieve the ante.

To make the comparison between BTN and BB ante, I think Big Blind Ante is a better format for 2 reasons :
1. There is always an ante in the pot (only exception is when BB stack is equal or below to the big blind amount)
2. On BTN Ante, if the BTN stack is below the BB amount, he only plays for his chips while the other players can call without taking the risk to refund the short stack player (Who said bubble time ?)
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Dave Miller on September 10, 2018, 07:03:58 AM »
I canít think of a single scenario where the rules would support the dealerís decision to turn player Bís hand over.

On the contrary, his action violates the ďone person to a handĒ rule which essentially would kill player Bís hand.


On a side note, what WAS the dealer thinking???
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Boris Mauboussin on September 10, 2018, 06:59:00 AM »
Well, I see multiple things to discuss here.


Considering Player B's hand has not been killed (cards have been identified) and have been faced up (no matter how), the hand should be live.

Quote
Sidestory
I know a situation happened in Paris in February on a cash game table.
(Uncommon betting pattern from the beginning of the hand)
River
Player C bet
Player D call
C show
(now timestretch Matrix mode)
D throw his cards face down towards the dealer who just removed the cut card from the bottom of the deck and throw it on the table.
D cards and cut card collide in the air, D cards turn face up on the table... He has the NUTS !
Pot was awarded to B

Yes, the dealer made a wrong call by facing up the cards, but to me (and I know we all are not on the same page on this) you can't alter a judgement just because your staff made a mistake. If you do, that means you are doing some kind of commercial gesture (like offering a drink to a customer who got pushed by a waiter) and on a tournament we must stick close to 100% equity no matter what.

Also, I really should have ask to the dealer once he got out from the table, what he was thinking about, not to have an argument but to understand if he got confused, or it was a deliberate call.

Anyway great case, thank you !

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Dealer open folded cards
« Last post by Heiko0912 on September 10, 2018, 06:09:37 AM »
Hello to everybody from Germany!
On a NLH Tournament something stupid happened.
The River card is dealt, Player are Heads-Up.
Player A bets, Player B called. No Player all-in.
Player A tabled his hand and shows two Pairs.
Player B looks in his cards, then looks to the board, whispers silently (nobody heard it) and throw his cards in the direction of the muck. The Dealer stop the cards, look to Player B and then tabled the hand. Player B didnít saw that he had a flush.
I donít know, what the hell the dealer thought of, but I gave the pot to Player A because he tabled his hand in a correct way. I donít  punish Player A, because the dealer makes a mistake.
What is your decision?
Excuse my English writing.
Best regards.
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