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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer says its 300 more to you

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 26, 2024, 03:47:34 PM »

I agree with the logic and reasoning for not counting down an all in bet.

For the record, in my bar league, we always count down every bet that isn’t obvious. But that’s primarily because our games are short stack turbo: 1,500 chips, with blinds that start at 11 minutes and get shorter as players are knocked out. We don’t have time to fart around with people trying to guess the bet amounts. Similar for going into the tank. Anyone can call clock, even the dealer. And when the clock is called, it starts to immediately, and is only 30 seconds.

Our games last about an hour or so, and we do three in an evening.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 26, 2024, 03:33:46 PM »

When playing online, none of these scenarios are even possible. You can't act out of turn and you can not retrieve a mucked hand.

While you can’t retrieve mucked cards, you CAN act out of turn.

When I get new players in my league, I ask about their poker experience. When they tell me they play online, I tell them the software does things for you, and encourages you to learn bad habits. Specifically, online you can call or fold ahead of time, as well as check a box to automatically post blinds. In online limit poker, you can even automatically raise even if there’s a raise before you.

But auto posting is why some players often forget to post, then act first when they are BB.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Color Down Single Oversize Chip

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 26, 2024, 03:12:20 PM »

You may have missed my point:

Otherwise, asking for a clarification effectively gives the player time to gauge reactions and change their intention.

I try to avoid situations were I might need to clarify a mumbled verbal action.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer says its 300 more to you

« Last post by BROOKS on March 26, 2024, 01:12:59 PM »

I didn't go back and read through all the old replies, but I do not agree with Nick's most recent reply.

The dealer should not be telling the player how much 'more'. They should just be stating the total bet amount.
Telling them how much more is helping them make their decision.

Same thing when a player goes all in, we don't say the amount, we just say they are all in.
Dealer announcing 'all in' to a player that isn't really paying much attention, that player might just fold, because all in sounds like a big bet. But if the dealer says 'all in for 225' or 'all in - 25 more', they are basically pointing out that it isn't much more to call.
The all in amount isn't announced until a player whose turn it is to act, asks.  For this very reason.

It's the same for raises that aren't all in. Dealer should just be announcing the total bet size. Not 'helping' the player decide that it's a 'good deal' and only "x" amount more.
It's the same reason we don't tell them how much is in the pot.
The players should be paying attention and making their decisions based off of their own observations without the dealer offering extra information.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Dealer says its 300 more to you

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 03:40:33 AM »

Motobaka72

This is a very old post but I thought I would tell you how I've always done it when I was dealing.

Six players called the 200 BB...The BB raises to 500...As the dealer, I announce RAISE! looking to the under the gun I say 300 more to call!
Raise, three hundred to call! That's it and that's the best way to handle that situation. When a player pushes all-in, that is a different situation. Never waste time counting down a bet until the bet is called.

Player pushes all-in with large stacks of chips...do not count them down unless it is requested.

Clarifying each bet amount will avoid confusion and make the hand move along smoothly.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Color Down Single Oversize Chip

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 03:15:01 AM »

Hello, Dave

 On your single chip situation the oversize chip rule applies. An example would be for the dealer to make the proper change in turn when possible, and preferably from the pot.
Example: Player facing a 100 bet while only having a 500 chip...as the dealer, I would give the 400 change back to the calling player before the action continues. If there is not enough in the pot to make change, make change from your rack and then proceed.

It has been my experience that leaving the oversize chip in front of the player without changing it, can cause confusion especially when there are multiple players in the hand.

The only other mention is if the player initiates the bet after the flop by tossing his chip into the pot, the 500 chip will be the bet unless he verbally declares a lesser amount.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Tabling of Hand - Card Off Table

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 02:56:32 AM »

Welcome Chubby9811
I agree with David.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Nick C on March 26, 2024, 02:50:12 AM »

I need more information to answer your questions.

In your first example I want to know how many players were in the hand, and when did the BB fold?
It's hard to imagine that the betting began in proper order.

I never liked the idea of retrieving mucked cards.

You mentioned that many of these players were originally online players. That might be a good way to arrive at the proper decision.

When playing online, none of these scenarios are even possible. You can't act out of turn and you can not retrieve a mucked hand.

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Dave Miller on March 24, 2024, 09:29:15 AM »

In both cases, the cards should be returned, and remain in play. Identifiable, and retrievable, etc.

Of course, for the BB, a warning/penalty is not necessary. After all, he’s playing out of position, and more or less told anybody that’s paying attention that he’s got crappy cards. 🤪

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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: 2 cases folding too soon

« Last post by Boris on March 23, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »

Hello folks,

I beg to differ with my fellow companions.

Case 1 : IMO it is a fold out of turn. Player should pay attention to the game, so they should know when they are required to post and when to act. Hand is mucked, player gets a warning.
Case 2 : I agree, if cards are identifiable, player A gets their card back, and a warning for the same reason above.

However, I know which kind of tournament Guillaume is talking about, these tend to not penalize too much because a fair proportion of players are online players and are not used to live tournaments, so in case 1, I may use rule 1 to give the cards back and still issue a friendly warning. (which does not count as a real one)