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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Exposed card
« Last post by David21 on January 14, 2019, 01:25:43 PM »
Dave Miller :if that rule is completely clear to me.
But player two says he showed the cards passing the line for both of folds. That if it had been before the line is carte put.

Thank you for the prompt response
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Exposed card
« Last post by Dave Miller on January 14, 2019, 11:58:33 AM »
The hand is NOT dead.
Quote from: TDA Rule #68
Exposing Cards and Proper Folding
Exposing cards with action pending may result in a penalty but not a dead hand. Any penalty begins at the end of the hand.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Exposed card
« Last post by David21 on January 14, 2019, 10:46:58 AM »
Sorry for my english
Maybe I didnīt explain myself well.
Our tables have a dividing line

Last round of betting. Two players
Player 1: raise 9k
Player 2: All In
Player 1: Shows his cards passing the line and thinks. Then announces payment.
Player 2: Demands that those cards be killed because they passed the line.

I understand that those cards cannot be killed but must receive a penalti the player who showed his cards

I would greatly appreciate your comments.
 
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... I guess we could correct it to the higher correct limit on the next street but to back up all betting to the corrected amount is sometimes too difficult.
Difficult? I suppose, but would prefer to try.

On the other hand, I’d much rather play it out at the wrong blinds than to fix it on the next street. THAT seems like the worst option.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Question about blinds going up
« Last post by Nick C on January 13, 2019, 03:34:04 PM »
I really believe we are taking this too far. On the occasion of SA I think it would be much easier to play out the hand as started. I guess we could correct it to the higher correct limit on the next street but to back up all betting to the corrected amount is sometimes too difficult. There are situations where new side pots could be created because of some players possibly not having enough to make the proper call, and besides, how many players base their call on the amount of the bet they are facing? I might not want to call a 2000 BB, but 1000 was acceptable. Once SA has occurred I would prefer not changing the lesser amount. Dealers need to pay more attention to blind increases in tournaments.
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Exposed card
« Last post by David21 on January 13, 2019, 10:52:40 AM »
Hi, the following situation was presented.
Player 1: Go up 9k
Player 2: All in
Player 1: show your cards, think and pay.
player 2: claim that the show is fail.
we have a line on the table.
player 1: says that passing the line is fail.
Is this letter exposed? or is it an exposed letter if it shows before the line?
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Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Question about blinds going up
« Last post by BillM16 on January 13, 2019, 10:34:06 AM »
    Great topic for clarification at the 2019 Summit. Rule 43-A should also be considered:

    43: Incorrect Bets, Underbets & Underraises

    A: In limit and no-limit, opening or raising less than the minimum legal amount is corrected anywhere on the current street (if on the river any time before showdown starts). Ex: NLHE 100-200, post-flop A opens for 600 and B raises to 1000 (a 200 underraise). C and D call, E folds then the error is noticed. Increase the bet to 1200 total for all bettors any time before the turn is dealt. After the turn the error stands. For undercalls, see Rule 42.


    This rule was adopted 2017. During discussion the options considered for locking in the underbet were substantial action and the end of the current betting round (or street). The current street held for Rule A (limit and no limit) but Rule B (for pot limit) was a mixture of SA and current street. Like all TDA Rules, it will be re-visited in 2019.

    I see several issues that are perhaps worth discussion in the 2019 summit in this regard:
    • #23: New Hand & New Limits:
    Tells us when the a new level and the next hand begins.  But, it doesn't tell us what happens if the blinds are posted incorrectly and SA occurs before the error is noted.
    • #35: Misdeals:
    Says a misdeal cannot be declared once SA occurs.  However, incorrectly posted blinds are not specifically included as misdeals (and would not typically require a re-deal to correct).
    • #36: Substantial Action (SA):
    Says that posted blinds do not count towards SA, but doesn't say how or if incorrectly posted blinds affect SA or how SA affects incorrectly posted blinds.
    • #43A: Incorrect Bets, Underbets & Underraises
    Says that incorrectly opening or raising less than the minimum legal amount is corrected anywhere on the current street.  It goes on to give and example where correction should occur even after SA.  However, it doesn't say that calling an incorrectly posted BB ought to be corrected.

    My current thinking is that #43 might be altered along these lines:

    Suggested change for TDA 2019 - #43: Incorrect Calls, Bets and Raises
    A: In limit and no-limit, calling, betting, or raising less than the minimum legal amount is corrected anywhere on the current street, unless showdown has started, even though substantial action may have occurred.


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    Poker TDA Rules & Procedures Questions, General / Re: Question about blinds going up
    « Last post by Nick C on January 12, 2019, 07:36:57 AM »
    I disagree.

    Since the blinds were never correctly posted, the players who folded were not substantial action, but out of turn action.
    Dave, I don't understand your logic, here.
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    2019 Poker TDA Summit IX / Re: Tda summit 2019
    « Last post by MikeB on January 09, 2019, 11:03:38 PM »
    Will be announced in this thread shortly.
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    2019 Poker TDA Summit IX / Tda summit 2019
    « Last post by lapidus on January 09, 2019, 02:41:58 AM »
    Hi do you already now the schedule of the tda summit 2019?
    Thanks
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